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  1. #1081
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyali View Post
    I was 12, at my mom's friend's house because our house was being fumigated (remember those biiiiiig tents over the houses?).

    Woke up to find one of her 13-14 y/o boys stroking my arm, which then progressed to dry humping. This was a guy I'd hung out with a ton (as well as his brother and two sisters) as our parents were close, also a highly christian family.
    That's disgusting, that reminds me, a friend of mine had the same happen to her (only she was 17, around that, long time ago) at a school trip, she said she woke up by (one of her classmates) were touching her ass. I wasnt there so i dont know if it was true or not. But wtf goes throu the mind of a person who would do something like this..
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    Quote Originally Posted by darenyon View Post
    no, its a pretty well known fact that that is the reason. the men most at risk for being victims of violence and to commit it are young men who go around doing risky things.
    So, in terms of being a victim, it is a man's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen, but it is not a woman's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen? I'm not sure I understand your logic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I'd dearly love you to try and find a quote from me anywhere in this thread where I stated anything even close to that.

    I didn't cite scientific papers, but the things I've been arguing come from the psychological papers I've read on the subject. Vanyali linked some of them, which is why I pointed at them myself afterwards.

    I am by no means "anti-science". My point was that science HAS looked into the reasons behind rape. And they basically boil down to anger, misogyny, and domination, to the extent that some rapists don't even care about sexual release.

    You keep deliberately misquoting me, and ascribing to me things I never even hinted at (like the Godwin assertions earlier), and I really wish you'd stop. It's difficult to have a conversation when the other guy keeps inventing stuff to pretend you've said.
    Man you really are unreal. First of all that post of mine you quoted wasn't about you but Regeniss, second I could go find a bunch of quotes where you basically prove how ridiculous you really are but I'm not going to bother because you've already proved to be a waste of my time. There's nothing more to say to someone who somehow manages to answer my arguments with "you're a rapist" and "you condone rape" just to sound cool when there's absolutely no reason to think that from what was posted.

    Anyway I really am too tired to continue. So that's it regardless. On that note I'm shutting down my browser before I get trolled any further into wasting my time in this thread.

  4. #1084
    Why are PEOPLE so afraid?

    Sexism won't go away until you stop defining people by their gender. Just like racism. This whole thread is full of hypocrisy.

  5. #1085
    Quote Originally Posted by Solo66 View Post
    A few more data points for anyone who's interested:

    Violent crimes against females are about 18% more likely to be reported than violent crimes against males.

    Female victims of violent crimes know their attackers in about 70% of these crimes, compared to about 45% for males. So again, the idea that you could be attacked while walking down the street, while of course always true, is less of a reality for women than for men. By my quick math (based on higher that last data point, and higher rates of victimization among men (by about 20%) and among blacks (by about 20%)), a black male is about 2.3 times more likely to be violently attacked by a stranger than a white female.

    So, if you're a white female, you have much less to fear when you're walking down the street than if you're a black male.
    I've never really understood why women were the ones who were so afraid of violent crime when men are the ones who are overwhelmingly the victims of it.

    Rape? Yeah that's mostly women. Murder? Assault? Battery? Almost all men.

    In fact, rape comprises about 6% of violent crime... and the other 94% if almost exclusively male victims.

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    Apparently this is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    Also had sex with guys because I didn't dare saying no to some of them.
    Nooo, so when women say "no", still smiling/laughing, and ends up sleeping with me.. They are really just afraid to say "no fuck off?"
    But why are you "afraid" to say no? because they will be angry, stop being friends, what? (you dont have to answer if you dont want to)
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    Quote Originally Posted by whathump View Post
    So, in terms of being a victim, it is a man's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen, but it is not a woman's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen? I'm not sure I understand your logic here.
    when it comes to victimization of two completely different things, yeah.. why dont we compare the same crimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspect of Death View Post
    Nooo, so when women say "no", still smiling/laughing, and ends up sleeping with me.. They are really just afraid to say "no fuck off?"
    But why are you "afraid" to say no? because they will be angry, stop being friends, what? (you dont have to answer if you dont want to)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I'd dearly love you to try and find a quote from me anywhere in this thread where I stated anything even close to that.

    I didn't cite scientific papers, but the things I've been arguing come from the psychological papers I've read on the subject. Vanyali linked some of them, which is why I pointed at them myself afterwards.

    I am by no means "anti-science". My point was that science HAS looked into the reasons behind rape. And they basically boil down to anger, misogyny, and domination, to the extent that some rapists don't even care about sexual release.

    You keep deliberately misquoting me, and ascribing to me things I never even hinted at (like the Godwin assertions earlier), and I really wish you'd stop. It's difficult to have a conversation when the other guy keeps inventing stuff to pretend you've said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron View Post
    Lol now we're trolling. Amusing.
    And there goes the one line wonder again. Why'd you post that now huh? Just because I said I was leaving, was that your queue? Are are you going to ask me why I'm not gone now? Well that's cause for your one liners I'll always come back Aeluron and trust me I have no shortage of venom, so maybe it's best you leave at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    There's nothing more to say to someone who somehow manages to answer my arguments with "you're a rapist" and "you condone rape" just to sound cool when there's absolutely no reason to think that from what was posted.
    Never said either of those about you, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blayze View Post
    Misogyny being a reason for rape would only be possible if gay, lesbian, and female-on-male rape were impossible concepts.
    Only if 1> women couldn't loathe other women misogynistically (they can), and 2> it were THE ONLY reason rather than A reason. There's still domination and anger, too.
    Last edited by Endus; 2013-02-12 at 01:48 AM. Reason: I typ gud, fixed for spelling and such

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    And there goes the one line wonder again. Why'd you post that now huh? Just because I said I was leaving, was that your queue? Are are you going to ask me why I'm not gone? Well that's cause for your one liners I'll always come back Aeluron and trust me I have no shortage of venom, so maybe it's best you leave at that.
    You accused people here of trolling. As if we're trying to get a emotional response out of you. We're not. You want to talk one liners I could say at the beginning you mentioned it. If you want to come back it's all on you, I could care less.
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  14. #1094
    Quote Originally Posted by whathump View Post
    So, in terms of being a victim, it is a man's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen, but it is not a woman's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen? I'm not sure I understand your logic here.
    In both cases I'd expect whoever it was to display some level of caution. Being the victim of a crime is never the fault of the victim, and is the fault of the perpetrator. However if a male puts himself in incredibly dangerous situations and hangs out with people of questionable morals, I'd say that's not being cautious. If a woman puts herself into a compromising position, that was also failing to be cautious, but it no more makes it her fault.

    If you do not show caution in certain situations, you are putting yourself at higher risk for having something happen to you. That never makes it your "fault" though. It just means that you have accepted some degree of responsibility for the situation... either that or made a poor judgement.

  15. #1095
    Quote Originally Posted by Woakerio View Post
    Women have to take certain precautions like not walking alone at night because we face a higher risk of being attacked, it isn't that women assume men are rapists; it's just about being careful.
    Well, seeing as men are more likely to be victims of violent crimes....What do you mean by higher risk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    And there goes the one line wonder again. Why'd you post that now huh? Just because I said I was leaving, was that your queue? Are are you going to ask me why I'm not gone now? Well that's cause for your one liners I'll always come back Aeluron and trust me I have no shortage of venom, so maybe it's best you leave at that.
    Maybe it's best you just go to sleep and keep your "venom" inside? If you think the guys a dick, cool, be the better person and walk away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    In both cases I'd expect whoever it was to display some level of caution. Being the victim of a crime is never the fault of the victim, and is the fault of the perpetrator. However if a male puts himself in incredibly dangerous situations and hangs out with people of questionable morals, I'd say that's not being cautious. If a woman puts herself into a compromising position, that was also failing to be cautious, but it no more makes it her fault.

    If you do not show caution in certain situations, you are putting yourself at higher risk for having something happen to you. That never makes it your "fault" though. It just means that you have accepted some degree of responsibility for the situation... either that or made a poor judgement.
    you forgot that if women try to mimize risks, thats being "sexist."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    And there goes the one line wonder again. Why'd you post that now huh? Just because I said I was leaving, was that your queue? Are are you going to ask me why I'm not gone now? Well that's cause for your one liners I'll always come back Aeluron and trust me I have no shortage of venom, so maybe it's best you leave at that.
    taking things a lil too personally....you by no means even have to listen to him. if you don't want to hear from him. we have options for that. just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Never said either of those about you, either.



    Only if 1> women couldn't loathe by misogynists (they can), and 2> it were THE ONLY reason rather than A reason. There's still domination and anger, too.
    I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you using misogyny in place of a gender-neutral word? Because I'm pretty sure women don't rape men because they hate themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darenyon View Post
    you forgot that if women try to mimize risks, thats being "sexist."
    As I mentioned before, if men suggest that women try to minimize risks, that's being "sexist." We're all sexists, hooray!

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