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    Apparently this is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    Also had sex with guys because I didn't dare saying no to some of them.
    Nooo, so when women say "no", still smiling/laughing, and ends up sleeping with me.. They are really just afraid to say "no fuck off?"
    But why are you "afraid" to say no? because they will be angry, stop being friends, what? (you dont have to answer if you dont want to)
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    Quote Originally Posted by whathump View Post
    So, in terms of being a victim, it is a man's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen, but it is not a woman's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen? I'm not sure I understand your logic here.
    when it comes to victimization of two completely different things, yeah.. why dont we compare the same crimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspect of Death View Post
    Nooo, so when women say "no", still smiling/laughing, and ends up sleeping with me.. They are really just afraid to say "no fuck off?"
    But why are you "afraid" to say no? because they will be angry, stop being friends, what? (you dont have to answer if you dont want to)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I'd dearly love you to try and find a quote from me anywhere in this thread where I stated anything even close to that.

    I didn't cite scientific papers, but the things I've been arguing come from the psychological papers I've read on the subject. Vanyali linked some of them, which is why I pointed at them myself afterwards.

    I am by no means "anti-science". My point was that science HAS looked into the reasons behind rape. And they basically boil down to anger, misogyny, and domination, to the extent that some rapists don't even care about sexual release.

    You keep deliberately misquoting me, and ascribing to me things I never even hinted at (like the Godwin assertions earlier), and I really wish you'd stop. It's difficult to have a conversation when the other guy keeps inventing stuff to pretend you've said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron View Post
    Lol now we're trolling. Amusing.
    And there goes the one line wonder again. Why'd you post that now huh? Just because I said I was leaving, was that your queue? Are are you going to ask me why I'm not gone now? Well that's cause for your one liners I'll always come back Aeluron and trust me I have no shortage of venom, so maybe it's best you leave at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    There's nothing more to say to someone who somehow manages to answer my arguments with "you're a rapist" and "you condone rape" just to sound cool when there's absolutely no reason to think that from what was posted.
    Never said either of those about you, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blayze View Post
    Misogyny being a reason for rape would only be possible if gay, lesbian, and female-on-male rape were impossible concepts.
    Only if 1> women couldn't loathe other women misogynistically (they can), and 2> it were THE ONLY reason rather than A reason. There's still domination and anger, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    And there goes the one line wonder again. Why'd you post that now huh? Just because I said I was leaving, was that your queue? Are are you going to ask me why I'm not gone? Well that's cause for your one liners I'll always come back Aeluron and trust me I have no shortage of venom, so maybe it's best you leave at that.
    You accused people here of trolling. As if we're trying to get a emotional response out of you. We're not. You want to talk one liners I could say at the beginning you mentioned it. If you want to come back it's all on you, I could care less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whathump View Post
    So, in terms of being a victim, it is a man's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen, but it is not a woman's fault for doing a risky thing such as hanging around with the wrong crowd when it is apparent that something bad might happen? I'm not sure I understand your logic here.
    In both cases I'd expect whoever it was to display some level of caution. Being the victim of a crime is never the fault of the victim, and is the fault of the perpetrator. However if a male puts himself in incredibly dangerous situations and hangs out with people of questionable morals, I'd say that's not being cautious. If a woman puts herself into a compromising position, that was also failing to be cautious, but it no more makes it her fault.

    If you do not show caution in certain situations, you are putting yourself at higher risk for having something happen to you. That never makes it your "fault" though. It just means that you have accepted some degree of responsibility for the situation... either that or made a poor judgement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woakerio View Post
    Women have to take certain precautions like not walking alone at night because we face a higher risk of being attacked, it isn't that women assume men are rapists; it's just about being careful.
    Well, seeing as men are more likely to be victims of violent crimes....What do you mean by higher risk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    And there goes the one line wonder again. Why'd you post that now huh? Just because I said I was leaving, was that your queue? Are are you going to ask me why I'm not gone now? Well that's cause for your one liners I'll always come back Aeluron and trust me I have no shortage of venom, so maybe it's best you leave at that.
    Maybe it's best you just go to sleep and keep your "venom" inside? If you think the guys a dick, cool, be the better person and walk away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    In both cases I'd expect whoever it was to display some level of caution. Being the victim of a crime is never the fault of the victim, and is the fault of the perpetrator. However if a male puts himself in incredibly dangerous situations and hangs out with people of questionable morals, I'd say that's not being cautious. If a woman puts herself into a compromising position, that was also failing to be cautious, but it no more makes it her fault.

    If you do not show caution in certain situations, you are putting yourself at higher risk for having something happen to you. That never makes it your "fault" though. It just means that you have accepted some degree of responsibility for the situation... either that or made a poor judgement.
    you forgot that if women try to mimize risks, thats being "sexist."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    And there goes the one line wonder again. Why'd you post that now huh? Just because I said I was leaving, was that your queue? Are are you going to ask me why I'm not gone now? Well that's cause for your one liners I'll always come back Aeluron and trust me I have no shortage of venom, so maybe it's best you leave at that.
    taking things a lil too personally....you by no means even have to listen to him. if you don't want to hear from him. we have options for that. just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Never said either of those about you, either.



    Only if 1> women couldn't loathe by misogynists (they can), and 2> it were THE ONLY reason rather than A reason. There's still domination and anger, too.
    I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you using misogyny in place of a gender-neutral word? Because I'm pretty sure women don't rape men because they hate themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darenyon View Post
    you forgot that if women try to mimize risks, thats being "sexist."
    As I mentioned before, if men suggest that women try to minimize risks, that's being "sexist." We're all sexists, hooray!

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    its really really disingenuous to say "women shouldnt be afraid of being raped because men are more likely to be punched in the face."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    taking things a lil too personally....you by no means even have to listen to him. if you don't want to hear from him. we have options for that. just sayin

    I haven't been rude at all. He accused of people trolling here and I find it amusing coming from his position.
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    If it is that big of a deal for a woman to walk alone at night thinking a man will rape her, then why is she walking alone in the dark of the night in the first place? It is like she is begging someone to rape and/or murder her.
    Last edited by Wylo; 2013-02-12 at 01:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo66 View Post
    As I mentioned before, if men suggest that women try to minimize risks, that's being "sexist." We're all sexists, hooray!
    the thread is full of people saying how sexist it is that women "judge" them by taking precautions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blayze View Post
    I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you using misogyny in place of a gender-neutral word? Because I'm pretty sure women don't rape men because they hate themselves.
    For some reason, I zoomed in on "lesbian" there.

    But you're right, misandry or more generic misanthropy are also valid reasons, depending on the gender relations in question. But the point remains; gender issues are only one possible vector, dominance is a greater trend. It's sometimes that the desire to dominate is due to such hatred, but not always. I never tried to suggest "misogyny" was the sole vector.

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