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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyHellfire View Post
    What is this guy talking about?
    Parris Island is where Marine recruits go for basic, if they live east of the Mississippi River. What he's saying is that whoever came up with the idea, is incredibly disrespectful towards the Corps and everything they have done, so they/that person needs to go through basic to see the minimum that Marines go through.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prokne View Post
    It was a cold day, its entirely possible the bolts were left off so they coudnt stick and jam the rifles.
    It would have to be much colder for that to happen, and the guns would need to be in operation for jams to occur.

    Quote Originally Posted by Methanar View Post
    I was confused too.

    The guns the soldiers are carrying though are disabled. Normally they would be operational I guess.


    Also, why are people getting upset about guns being unable to shoot.
    When blanks are needed, it needs to be operable. Think 21 gun salute etc.

  2. #42
    I don't get why they couldn't just use blanks feels kinda disrespectful even tho I'm not a war person.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by theredviola View Post
    Edit: retracting previous statement and adding this: I'm not 100% sure, but don't armed forces "drill teams" use decommissioned rifles to preform drill and ceremony with? If so, then the inauguration is a ceremony and the Marines marching were part of the ceremony -- not the security. Someone in the armed forces, please correct me if I'm wrong.
    Most of the drill teams have rifles that are disabled via firing pin and such, so they still look and feel fully functional. Removing the bolts just seems odd/ redundant, though maybe these rifles were not the same class.

    They're M1's, they're not the current rifle, their only purpose is for drills/ salutes and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam the Wiser View Post
    I don't get why they couldn't just use blanks feels kinda disrespectful even tho I'm not a war person.
    Drill rifles are never loaded with anything and usually cant even be fired, bolt or no bolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocko9 View Post
    It would have to be much colder for that to happen, and the guns would need to be in operation for jams to occur.
    I would assume that the rifles a drill squad uses are better than the ones we used in training but the bolt was often sticky even at room temperature. Im not sure what you mean by operation because the bolt or the trigger group can malfunction just by using them(pulling back the bolt or pulling the trigger), it doesnt matter if the rifle can fire or not since that is usually done by removing the firing pin or filling the barrel.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Prokne View Post
    Drill rifles are never loaded with anything and usually cant even be fired, bolt or no bolt.

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    I would assume that the rifles a drill squad uses are better than the ones we used in training but the bolt was often sticky even at room temperature. Im not sure what you mean by operation because the bolt or the trigger group can malfunction just by using them(pulling back the bolt or pulling the trigger), it doesnt matter if the rifle can fire or not since that is usually done by removing the firing pin or filling the barrel.
    I know, guns aren't perfect. By operation, I mean actual use, firing. I've never heard of a jam that didn't involve actually shooting a gun. Extreme cold conditions (like in Korea) can cause bolt lock, but that's not the same.

    Drill guns that JROTC would use have the bolts welded and/or barrels filled with whatever compound. I would doubt the Marines, of all people, would make M1 Garands inoperable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocko9 View Post
    I know, guns aren't perfect. By operation, I mean actual use, firing. I've never heard of a jam that didn't involve actually shooting a gun. Extreme cold conditions (like in Korea) can cause bolt lock, but that's not the same.

    Drill guns that JROTC would use have the bolts welded and/or barrels filled with whatever compound. I would doubt the Marines, of all people, would make M1 Garands inoperable.
    Yeah Im referring to jams affecting doing drill movements. There are movements where you operate the bolt and trigger mechanisms. They didnt have the guns to fire, they were there for show and twirling around.

    The Marines would have no reason to keep operable M1s unless they use them for gun salutes. They can also use M14s and M16s for gun salutes and its reasonable to believe they have separate rifles set apart for that to keep maintenance down(they could have drill M1s and salute M1s).

    Its pretty extreme to go from "I see Marines with drill rifles that dont have bolts" to "the President must think a Marine is going to shoot him."

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Prokne View Post
    Yeah Im referring to jams affecting doing drill movements. There are movements where you operate the bolt and trigger mechanisms.
    Well yeah, I shoot guns all the time, I realize what does and doesn't move. Not to sound rude, but it looks like you're trying to make me look ignorant about guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prokne View Post
    They didnt have the guns to fire, they were there for show and twirling around.

    The Marines would have no reason to keep operable M1s unless they use them for gun salutes. They can also use M14s and M16s for gun salutes and its reasonable to believe they have separate rifles set apart for that to keep maintenance down(they could have drill M1s and salute M1s).

    Its pretty extreme to go from "I see Marines with drill rifles that dont have bolts" to "the President must think a Marine is going to shoot him."
    Ceremonies are conducted with the M1 or M14, only non ceremony teams use the M16. Ceremonies are the only thing the M1 is used for, and there are separate M14's.

    I've never seen a ceremony, or even JROTC event, where the bolts were removed. The kids have theirs sealed up. You can't disagree that removing the bolts isn't embarrassing or dishonoring them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocko9 View Post
    Well yeah, I shoot guns all the time, I realize what does and doesn't move. Not to sound rude, but it looks like you're trying to make me look ignorant about guns.
    Im just making sure were talking about the same thing because what you said was confusing to what I know about rifle drill. Ive never used a drill rifle with the bolt welded shut.

    Ceremonies are conducted with the M1 or M14, only non ceremony teams use the M16. Ceremonies are the only thing the M1 is used for, and there are separate M14's.

    I've never seen a ceremony, or even JROTC event, where the bolts were removed. The kids have theirs sealed up. You can't disagree that removing the bolts isn't embarrassing or dishonoring them.
    Its definitely weird and I dont know if they were embarrassed because of it. They didnt talk to any of them which would have been a good idea before making up reasons why they were removed. You would have to know the actual reason the bolts were not used to determine the effect on the Marines. Right now this article dishonors the Marines by implying people think they would kill the president and the president for accusing him of distrusting marines with no real proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herecius View Post
    As if the President himself has anything even remotely to do with a decision like that. Not that that stops people from spinning it that way and blowing things waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.

    When it comes to an event like an inauguration address, that's like saying the President decides what the desert at the after-party will be.
    There wasn't enough ice cream cake to go around.

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    Isn't it like Secret Service policy to be the only ones armed near our fearless leader?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    Of course not, cause he's a Socialist, Communist, Nazi, secret-muslim Kenyan who's trying to take away our guns so he can lead the Chinese army against us!
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    It's almost as if the Marine Corps isn't comprised of individuals among whom there might be one bad egg . . . or one idiot who didn't check his gun first. It's not that the Marine Corps (or any military branch) can't be trusted, but that the screening process is not 100% foolproof, and sometimes people go bad after they get in. Being a Marine doesn't make you a Perfect American after all.

    Seriously, what's the big deal? Unless they're actually firing the gun in a salute or something, why do they need the bolt?

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    From a practical standpoint, there is nothing to be upset over here. However, it's a lot like somebody calling your mother a bitch. Technically they haven't harmed you in any way, but you're still gonna be offended.

    It'd be one thing if the rifles were manufactured without bolts and nobody took the time to put bolts in. But that is not the case. For all of those rifles to be disabled, somebody involved in organizing this event had to have said something along the lines of "You know, I don't feel like marines can be trusted with live weapons."

    Regardless of it's practical effect, it's still insulting.

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    I fail to see why this is important...

    How does it make a difference at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    I fail to see why this is important...

    How does it make a difference at all?
    Again, it's the same principle as somebody calling your mother a bitch. For the sake of practicality, they've done nothing to you. But you're still going to be insulted by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Right..now I get it. Oh well..since it is pretty much impossible to legally aquire weapons and ammunition here, that is what confused me. In my time in the army we always paraded around without ammo and not really lethal weapons. Kinda a relief to know the guy next to you can't kill you when he drops his gun and it missfires.

    I am effing paranoid around guns..learned that lesson in the army. Always treat any gun as loaded. Anybody who gets a hardon shooting a machine gun or a machine pistol or a rifle instead of being respectful and scared is a crazy.

    That from a guy with two years of service. You are free to disagree or laugh at me...I couldn't care less.
    This seems almost as crazy as the most crazy gun nuts, no offense! ;P

    You should be careful around guns, but being scared of them can be almost as troublesome as being reckless if you are to use them on a regular basis.
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    Is it a scandal in the US anytime someone doesn't have a working/loaded weapon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    Again, it's the same principle as somebody calling your mother a bitch. For the sake of practicality, they've done nothing to you. But you're still going to be insulted by it.
    No I'm not. I'm not a four year old who gets upset over such trivial things ... Nor should people be getting upset about this. Does this affect the ability for the Marines to perform their duties on Parade? Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocko9 View Post
    Parris Island is where Marine recruits go for basic, if they live east of the Mississippi River. What he's saying is that whoever came up with the idea, is incredibly disrespectful towards the Corps and everything they have done, so they/that person needs to go through basic to see the minimum that Marines go through.
    I know what Parris Island is, I just failed to see any remote comprehensible sense in that rambling.

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