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  1. #441
    There is no real % at all when it comes to website and data all of these stuff are just theories and statistics they are never 100% true. do they help with gathering data and info? yes of course but do they prove and determint as a absolute fact? no sorry.
    Why do you need 100% correct data to gather a general impression? It's a game, not brain surgery, you don't need 100% accuracy. It doesn't matter if the % is 25% or 30% or 35%, just like it doesn't matter if its 1% or 2% or 3%. Statistics always work with a margin of error, that's why they are statistics. Sure there might be some really strange raiding guilds out there that dont use things like world of logs and wowprogress, but they are pretty rare, so why judging general tendencies based on exceptions?

    Honestly, for me this just looks like a commercial decision. Blizzard doesn't usually dish out un-necessary new content, they are more known for reshashing/reusing stuff. The only significant segment of players that will gain a lot from this are the LFR players - that are done and over-done with the content they can run. I assume they make a large part of the subs, so they need to be fed a new LFR tier, since normal/hc raiders always have something to progress on (unless they are in the 1% in the world that are done). Coupled with the sales for the wow games collection, it makes sense that end semester numbers need to be boosted. It's got nothing to do with keeping promises, they promised they will never make content for 1% of the player base again, and many other things.

  2. #442
    Quote Originally Posted by Saphiramoon View Post
    Why do you need 100% correct data to gather a general impression? It's a game, not brain surgery, you don't need 100% accuracy. It doesn't matter if the % is 25% or 30% or 35%, just like it doesn't matter if its 1% or 2% or 3%. Statistics always work with a margin of error, that's why they are statistics. Sure there might be some really strange raiding guilds out there that dont use things like world of logs and wowprogress, but they are pretty rare, so why judging general tendencies based on exceptions?

    Honestly, for me this just looks like a commercial decision. Blizzard doesn't usually dish out un-necessary new content, they are more known for reshashing/reusing stuff. The only significant segment of players that will gain a lot from this are the LFR players - that are done and over-done with the content they can run. I assume they make a large part of the subs, so they need to be fed a new LFR tier, since normal/hc raiders always have something to progress on (unless they are in the 1% in the world that are done). Coupled with the sales for the wow games collection, it makes sense that end semester numbers need to be boosted. It's got nothing to do with keeping promises, they promised they will never make content for 1% of the player base again, and many other things.
    I dont think there is a way to not use Wowprogress, it gathers the data from Blizz armory. Only way you could be raiding and "fooling" Wowprogress is if youre in some sort of cross guild team, tham it would track progress for each individual but wouldnt count it for the guild for lack of enought ppl killing the boss in that particular guild. I might be wrong tough.

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    The raid tier is ENORMOUS, especially is you want the cutting edge achievements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velshin View Post
    No i'm not being passive aggressive but I'm talking about general stuff here not only about wow. Some ppl are so obssessed with some data from the internet and determinte them as an absolute facts 100% which is just wrong because in the world of an internet and techology nothing is certain. As I said even if you bring me an evidence about a certain player being great through websites, data, achievements (either gladiator, or challenge mode transmog gears + heroic clear progress) which with that data proves that he/she is an awesome player I will not judge that player until I play with him/her myself to see how good he/she really is live and not through data or websites. This is just an example of course but I'm talking in general here at least this is who I'm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DakonBlackblade View Post
    I dont think there is a way to not use Wowprogress, it gathers the data from Blizz armory. Only way you could be raiding and "fooling" Wowprogress is if youre in some sort of cross guild team, tham it would track progress for each individual but wouldnt count it for the guild for lack of enought ppl killing the boss in that particular guild. I might be wrong tough.
    Wowprogress does not automatically pull data. The guild has to be submitted to show up at all, and then someone must request an update for the guild to add new activity. I doubt it would make all that much of a difference, but there certainly are a number of guilds that don't care about rankings and thus don't bother updating wowprogress.

    What we are starting to get into is a semantical debate about what constitutes the point where a tier can be considered "done". And the problem with this is that there is no correct answer. There will always be a guild or raid group that only needs a couple more weeks to accomplish the goals they have set, no matter where you set that line. And an individual's opinion on this issue will depend entirely on which side of the line they end up on, unless they don't care either way. Yes, other tiers have lasted longer. But not significantly so. A few more weeks at most, not counting ICC or DS, both of which were around for FAR longer than they ever should have been.

    I think this is going to be the new reality, 5-6 month raid tiers, because of LFR. While nobody besides Blizzard has actual numbers, Blizzard has stated before that LFR by far makes up the majority of the raiding population now. They are going to cater to the larger demographic, which in this case has probably been bored for quite some time.
    All this complaining is simply further proof that Blizzard could send each and every player a real-life wish-granting flying unicorn carrying a solid gold plate of chocolate chip cookies wrapped in hundred dollar bills, and someone would whine that Blizzard sucks for not letting them choose oatmeal raisin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurbz View Post
    I think this is going to be the new reality, 5-6 month raid tiers, because of LFR. While nobody besides Blizzard has actual numbers, Blizzard has stated before that LFR by far makes up the majority of the raiding population now. They are going to cater to the larger demographic, which in this case has probably been bored for quite some time.
    I'm in that demographic. I've been running alts. Three characters are ready for T15 LFR, and two more are still benefitting from T14 LFR (one I abandoned on another server.) I think I've had a total of nine sha-touched weapons drop.

    The interesting conundrum is not the length of the tier, but the tuning of the raids. There really appears to be a dead zone between LFR and normal mode tuning. If a guild falls into that zone, they're pretty much SOL.
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    People complain just for the sake of complaining. /thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zethras View Post
    No matter what Blizzard does, there will always be people who whine and bitch simply for the sake of whining and bitching.

    I've learned to ignore it really.
    yep 100% this ^

    Personally I am only 5h/16h but I am happy with 5.2 in two weeks because our group/attendance won't be able to clear heroic this patch. 5.2 and better gear will mean we will go back and clear the heroic content for titles/meta mount at some point. A change of scenery is good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurbz View Post
    Wowprogress does not automatically pull data. The guild has to be submitted to show up at all, and then someone must request an update for the guild to add new activity. I doubt it would make all that much of a difference, but there certainly are a number of guilds that don't care about rankings and thus don't bother updating wowprogress.

    Is that so? Funny my guild is still on there....Funny how they claim to "WoWProgress pulls Guild and Character information from the official Battle.net API and transforms it into Guild Bosskills with date/time attached."
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  11. #451
    Quote Originally Posted by Stellalock View Post
    Maybe for you.
    But what level raiding you? 10/25?
    How long do you raid for a week?
    How else do you prepare? Crafting?VP capping? Crafting? Buying BOEs?
    Maybe you lugged early?
    How often do you play per week?
    Do you have kids to look after?
    Do you work?
    Do you go away with work?
    Did you visit family at Christmas?
    Do you have a social life?

    What affects your gameplay doesn't affect others. Some don't have the time. I am happy with my progression, sure I'd like to be further, but I'm not, so be it.

    Bring on new content for those that are ready n we can look and use that as our insensitive.

    But please, don't try n belittle people who play their game their way, because they haven't killed as many bosses as you
    I don't even play anymore but if any of those reasons prevent you from playing much, you shouldn't let IRL fall behind a game anyways. But you should not expect to clear content as fast as someone else and you shouldn't expect content to be dragged out so everyone starts a new tier at the same time because you can't play as much as others.

  12. #452
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Is that so? Funny my guild is still on there....Funny how they claim to "WoWProgress pulls Guild and Character information from the official Battle.net API and transforms it into Guild Bosskills with date/time attached."
    What part of that implies that it is automatic? Even their own FAQ states that the guild must be added manually.
    Last edited by Gurbz; 2013-02-12 at 08:31 PM.
    All this complaining is simply further proof that Blizzard could send each and every player a real-life wish-granting flying unicorn carrying a solid gold plate of chocolate chip cookies wrapped in hundred dollar bills, and someone would whine that Blizzard sucks for not letting them choose oatmeal raisin.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    If your guild demands you slip into an elephants butt and force yourself out in a regurgation then you can't blame Blizzard for supplying the elephant.

  13. #453
    Quote Originally Posted by Gurbz View Post
    Wowprogress does not automatically pull data. The guild has to be submitted to show up at all, and then someone must request an update for the guild to add new activity. I doubt it would make all that much of a difference, but there certainly are a number of guilds that don't care about rankings and thus don't bother updating wowprogress.
    > someone must request an update for the guild to add new activity

    WoWProgress updates all guilds automatically every few days, manual submitting isn't necessary.

    > The guild has to be submitted to show up at all

    People don't have to submit new guilds, they are added once someone searched them.
    There are other methods to find guilds, like scanning AH API, but it doesn't make any significant difference. Practically all new raiding guilds added very quickly by users.
    Last edited by Kernel; 2013-02-12 at 08:47 PM.

  14. #454
    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel View Post
    > someone must request an update for the guild to add new activity

    WoWProgress updates all guilds automatically every few days, manual submitting isn't necessary..
    I don't think that's necessarily true. I've gone to look at guilds and seen "last update: 9 months ago". Granted, these were moribund guilds that aren't raiding.

    I suspect wowprogress prioritizes active raiding guilds if it does these kind of auto-updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    I don't think that's necessarily true. I've gone to look at guilds and seen "last update: 9 months ago". Granted, these were moribund guilds that aren't raiding.

    I suspect wowprogress prioritizes active raiding guilds if it does these kind of auto-updates.
    You need to sign up to wowprogress if you want to record your parses, otherwise it just rips the basic of what you have done from the armory. Overall, it should be pretty accurate, though not perfect due to pugs, 50/50 guild runs and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    I've gone to look at guilds and seen "last update: 9 months ago". Granted, these were moribund guilds that aren't raiding.
    I suspect wowprogress prioritizes active raiding guilds if it does these kind of auto-updates.
    That's true. The website is about raiding, there is little point in updating guilds that aren't raiding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Injin View Post
    You need to sign up to wowprogress if you want to record your parses
    You do NOT have to sign up for progress update.
    Registration is optional.
    Last edited by Kernel; 2013-02-12 at 09:01 PM.

  17. #457
    To me this is only gonna be really annoying in retrospect when we are stuck with a smallish final tier that lasts for 10-12 months.
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    Most likly since the current content is good. only 420 guilds have killed Heroic sha of fear so far. I Too would like the chance to do this while its current but sicne patch is only 2 weeks away and my job is messing with my raid times i cant really do that.

  19. #459
    It's the WoW community in a nut-shell

    5.2 coming early? "GOD YOUR RUSHING CONTENT FOR MONEY BLIZZARD"

    5.2 is delayed? "GOD YOUR SO SLOW AT PUTTING OUT CONTENT WHY AM I EVEN STILL PLAYING?"

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  20. #460
    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthoof View Post
    Those People can't be seroius. Why are there already people complaining about the release of 5.2 in two weeks? The people used to cry about no content the last expansions... I just don't get it. What's wrong with them?
    It's not good if you can't understand other people's feelings. You don't have to agree, but empathy... very important. You might want to get help for that.

    More on topic: The people who say it's too slow might not be the same people who now say it's too quick. There's also a big difference between 8 bosses for 10 months and 16 bosses for 5 months (2x bosses in 1/2 time), making this too fast. I don't care either way, but I can understand both sides of the argument.
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