So... What ilvl to start ToT normal?

[Recom]

ilvl on the first boss on the PTR was scaled to 502 and even with a group of people with significant hc experience it seemed like a fight with a tight DPS requirement, granted that we didn't have boss mods and such but it seems like it will be quite difficult without 500+ ilvl.

[Deja Thoris]

496-503 every new raid is tuned to be downed in normal gear from previous raid

Normals are currently 496.

So by your statement its 496, it can't be 503 because thats not gear from normals in the previous raid.

[Ants22]

My guild is 5/16 N for Teir 14. We are a very casual guild but we run twice a week (or try to at least). Our average ilvl is 488, My question is do you think we would be able to kill the first boss in ToT? Are there any fights that you can compare the first boss to from teir 14(for difficulty)?

[bigbad]

You should be able to kill the first boss with 488 ilvl the second one I would recommend 496-500ilvl at least.

[Deja Thoris]

My guild is 5/16 N for Teir 14. We are a very casual guild but we run twice a week (or try to at least). Our average ilvl is 488, My question is do you think we would be able to kill the first boss in ToT? Are there any fights that you can compare the first boss to from teir 14(for difficulty)?

I think you could kill the first boss in 463 gear tbh.

[Apoulsen]

I think you could kill the first boss in 463 gear tbh.

No you cannot.

[kamuimac]

My guild is 5/16 N for Teir 14. We are a very casual guild but we run twice a week (or try to at least). Our average ilvl is 488, My question is do you think we would be able to kill the first boss in ToT? Are there any fights that you can compare the first boss to from teir 14(for difficulty)?

Well dunno why but i would compare this fight to t13 Morchok -_- they throw a bone with this boss so that most guilds could clear him and acquire some 522 gear after how everybody had problem with stone dogs difficulty in t14 - but yes next boss after 1st is complete different story ><

[Dr420]

I would disagree with you. Our groups ( we ran 2 10's transitioning into a 25 man raid team soon )both downed him before his third lightning storm, so it essentially took us about 60% of the enrage timer to kill him, enrage timer being when all 4 puddles are electrified. There are 3 things in the fight that can kill you, 1. the lightning orbs or conduits hitting the puddle your standing in or each other. 2. the tanks not taunting right and getting hit with the debuff. 3. or thunderstorm if your not grouped up and popping healing cd's. Other than that hit him up and collect your loot from this loot pinata.

[Ants22]

Cheers guys, our group will hit him up tonight and ill let ya know how we go with the 488 avg ilvl.

[sTyLnK]

Cheers guys, our group will hit him up tonight and ill let ya know how we go with the 488 avg ilvl.

I think my guilds ilvl is between 490-495. Downed the boss with a fair amount of time to go on the berserk timer. Seemed easy enough. Yet to try the second, but I'll see soon how much of a step up it is. Supposed to be quite a step up dps wise if I read correctly. We shall see. lol.

[Noorri]

First boss you need about 480, second boss is 500+. Don't know after that.

[Cristox]

We killed first boss with average of 485-490 ilvl without too much trouble.

As ilvl already tells we are casual guild that killed 10/16 bosses pre-nerf in previous tier.

Raid composition was 2 tanks, 3 healers, 5 dps. Managing the damage buff from pools is critical to kill the boss with lowish ilvl. Move in fast when pool spawns, use cooldowns only in pools while buffed and assign areas to drop lightning fissures to avoid wasting time for useless running around.

If you want comparison for T14, it was much easier than Garalon. Garalon about 80 wipes (most on enrage timer). "Jim'Rocks!" about 15 wipes (for practice, we were supposed to switch 2 healing for kill but boss died with 3 healers )


Edit: Second boss is different story tho. You need about the same numbers to kill adds in there and you dont have pools to boost dps. Still working on it and its going to take a while for us since we don't have group full of rogues and hunters :P

[Ijoemomma]

For informational purposes:
Our group ilevel was between 484-491and we got him down to 3.2 percent in 2 hours. a good deal of that time was spent discussing and learning and we also changed out a dps an hour in . if a healer didn't have to leave we totally would have had him. We finished last tier 7/16

[DakonBlackblade]

The first boss is Morchock easy, but from there on Blizzard went insane and actualy completly overtuned the place for normal mode raiders. My raid wich went 11/16 heroic last tier and has an average ilevel of 501 or so is curently 4/12 working on Megaera and its not realy undertuned in no way shape or form for us. In other words if youre not heroic geared youre screwed, Blizz wats to force you into runing tier 14 heroics (or at least farm tier 15 LFR) before doing t15 normals wich makes absolutly no sense but it seens that way, normal raiders cant just run normals anymore it seens.