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    Seeing as how justice is a purely human concept, yes, I'd say we deserve to live on earth. Whether the vast majority of our race "deserves" to be alive at all under natural law is a different matter.

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    Nobody deserves anything. It's not like anyone has a choice...things are simply happening. Even if we deserve it or not...who are we to decide that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oplawlz View Post
    Seeing as how justice is a purely human concept, yes, I'd say we deserve to live on earth. Whether the vast majority of our race "deserves" to be alive at all under natural law is a different matter.
    Yeah, Darwin's theory of Evolution sorta got a bit lost with modern medicine.
    In the past all the duckface yolo crowd would have died, but now with Ambulances and Emergency Rooms, they live on to duckface another day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenaw View Post
    Who cares if we do or not? What's gonna stop us? The little critters gonna make an army to drive us to extinction?
    You... are the first target of the great squirrel battalion 0_0
    It's like crossing an intersection. There's shit going on all over the place and you don't panic and act like an idiot then do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    I don't believe anyone has the authority to determine the answer to this question for the entire human race. We exist here. If anyone thinks we don't deserve to be here, they can go ahead and advance their cause by offing themselves first, but don't expect me to keel over and die just because they think we're a plague or whatever.
    I totally agree with you, we can't say that we deserve what we have or that we don't deserve it..., who are we to answer that question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    wasn't the earth impregnated by a comet bearing life forms. at least thats what i heard last.
    So was your mom. But in all seriousness, yes we do deserve to live on this planet. We are here for a reason not just some cosmic coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmoth12 View Post
    Do we or don't we?

    Are we bad for this planet or not? Do we deserve the right to call this planet our home?
    I really hate the way people think we are a "cancer" or whatever. We are just animals at the highest evolution... Look at any ecological environment, if you put a complex animal (us) in a seemingly infinite space (earth) with seemingly infinite resources without any natural predators, that animal will continue to fill its surroundings. It's basic principle of evolution and animal instincts. Clearly our evolved brains had a hand in making us the predominant species, but IMO we are just doing what ANY animal does when you set the stage for said animal perfectly. Exponential growth is inevitable, where it will eventually taper off and then decline. Most scientists seem to agree we are reaching that breaking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    Just because you were born some place doesn't mean you deserve it, at all. By that logic people born in opulent situations somehow deserve to have better lives while those born into hardship deserve to suffer. I resent that completely.
    We were made from the Earth over billions of years. We obviously wouldn't be here if we weren't suppose to.

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    Assuming the Evolution mindset, this planet created us. Complaining that we're bad for the planet strikes me as rather silly. The planet existed just fine for EONS prior to humanity's arrival. If you imagine that paving the surface of the planet, creating and dumping hazardous (to current life forms) waste around, or doing stupid things that lead to the extinction of very recent other species is bad for the planet, I don't think you have a full appreciation of the wonders of nature.

    Most of the things we consider to be bad for the planet are actually just bad for us. Contaminating the water - over time, that stuff'll take care of itself. Long after the people are all poisoned or starved or the ecosystems have collapsed due to our laziness, arrogance, ignorance. The planet doesn't hold any other current animal or plant in particularly high esteem, compared to humanity. It's all here, and the planet simply exists. It doesn't care who lasts longest, it doesn't care which animals or plants encroach on the territory of others - it really, really doesn't. Humans care about ecosystems because we rely on them for our convenience, or our pleasure, or our personal health, or for profit. We don't care about ecosystems because we care about "the planet."

    The planet is fine. If it can handle meteors that wipe out dinosaurs and still pop out oversized, stupid creatures, it can handle us.

    It's not about deserving to live on the planet, so much as not deserving to be wiped out; I'm sure we'll do that just fine on our own. The planet, the solar system, the galaxy and the universe have near eternity. Why rush sending us off?

    Unless they're putting in an interstellar freeway.

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    The planet doesnt need us to survive, it will endure long after we fuck it up (if we fuck it up). However the notion of "deserving" life is laughable. This question is a bit, rediculous to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    We were made from the Earth over billions of years. We obviously wouldn't be here if we weren't suppose to.
    That's not the question though. Just because we are born and adapted to life on earth doesn't mean we can behave or treat the planet like shit without consequences. And if we even start to jeopardize the very brittle echo system on this planet we don't deserve to be here, especially not since we as a species are intelligent enough to understand when something might be harmful to ours and our fellow earthlings living space.

    What we've done so far is nothing. This hasn't been harmful to anything, yet. But as our species grow and more areas become populated we do actually have a real effect on the echosystem. The planet will always be fine, we can't harm the planet. But we can and currently are beginning to make it a very difficult place for evolved life to flourish on.

    If we as a species deserve to be here is entirely up to us and our willingness to adapt our ways around nature and not the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmoth12 View Post
    Do we or don't we?

    Are we bad for this planet or not? Do we deserve the right to call this planet our home?
    Life doesn't care about who's deserving or not. There is no power that makes anything right or wrong. The universe doesn't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    wasn't the earth impregnated by a comet bearing life forms. at least thats what i heard last.
    It's a far-fetched hypothesis that isn't impossible (because meteors have been found that contain traces of life from Earth; it's therefore not too strange to assume that other planets in our solar system contain traces of life from Earth, flung there on the back of a meteorite), but it's so incredibly far from probable that there's really no reason to assume this happened to Earth. Life could not have come from another planet within our solar system (though possibly from a moon, but since that moon is covered in ice (and we have yet to find traces of life there), it's not very likely), and it's not very likely that a meteor from beyond the Kuiper-belt could have reached our planet with life still intact. It's pretty much a hypothesis that states: 'I don't understand how life could have spontaneously arisen on Earth, and I don't believe in gods, so it must have come from another planet!' Thereby simply replacing the problem to a farther away location. :S

    OP: Of course we don't deserve to live here. In nature, there is no such thing as 'deserve.' It's a simple matter of kill-or-be-killed, and we're rocking the charts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    We were made from the Earth over billions of years. We obviously wouldn't be here if we weren't suppose to.
    Supposed to? There is no "supposed to". We happen to be here. There's no purpose to it. We're here and not somewhere else, all on chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jevlin View Post
    That's not the question though. Just because we are born and adapted to life on earth doesn't mean we can behave or treat the planet like shit without consequences. And if we even start to jeopardize the very brittle echo system on this planet we don't deserve to be here, especially not since we as a species are intelligent enough to understand when something might be harmful to ours and our fellow earthlings living space.

    What we've done so far is nothing. This hasn't been harmful to anything, yet. But as our species grow and more areas become populated we do actually have a real effect on the echosystem. The planet will always be fine, we can't harm the planet. But we can and currently are beginning to make it a very difficult place for evolved life to flourish on.

    If we as a species deserve to be here is entirely up to us and our willingness to adapt our ways around nature and not the other way around.
    That is why in my first comment I said "It is up to us as an Intelligent species to make sure we don't mess up the planet due to our own carelessness"

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    where else would we live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noomz View Post
    Supposed to? There is no "supposed to". We happen to be here. There's no purpose to it. We're here and not somewhere else, all on chance.
    That is your opinion but not a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    That is why in my first comment I said "It is up to us as an Intelligent species to make sure we don't mess up the planet due to our own carelessness"
    I didn't see that. My apologize
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