They're meaning (if they did have one) was undermined because of this act, as are many of the feminist views. If most of these women would just come to the table, accept the facts of the world, and worked towards a good balance, women would be in a much better position, and it would've worked. This whole rebellion thing though makes it very hard to the world leaders, to take it seriously...
"It hath been found by experience that no matter how decent, intelligent or thoughtful the reasoning of a conservative may be, as an argument with a liberal is advanced, the probability of being accused of ‘bigotry’, ‘hatred’ or ‘intolerance’ approaches 1." - Cranmer's Law
Maybe they want a female pope...?
60 women is hardly a good test pool to go off, I know, but I'm only going off what I know is fact. Many of the women I've hired, worked with or known complain about their work loads and their pay, yet their male counterparts on average work longer hours and are more productive, hence the higher pay.
That doesn't mean this the case all over the world, and that in some places women are paid less, I know it happens, but it isn't as systemic as some people might think...
1- That one has no justifiable excuse. Blame stupid old-school management of all levels.
2- Yet there are women feigning rape to get men in the slammer.
3- Just because you're admired for beauty doesn't mean you can't be admired for your brains. If anything, brains is a concealed weapon in this case. Non-issue. And if beauty is such a problem for women, they could, you know, stop showcasing it and refuse to participate in any activity related to that.
4- Like the media are reliable. Blame idiots altogether for this, not men.
5- Baseless conjecture. Feminism as it was intended to be has a reason to exist. Feminazism has no reason to exist as it is misguidance in its most grotesque form.
6- They're not nearly as oppressed as 70 years ago, or even further. You failing to realize that is the reason why you label all men as scum.
Also, equality between sexes will never be achieved as men are women are different both physically and mentally. Men are often more rational whereas women are more creative. Of course, a rule can't be a rule without exceptions, but you'd have to agree that those differences, and many more, are factual.
Plus, you're making no mention of these women wanting all the benefits, but deflecting all the responsibilities.
What I believe is that we can eventually come to terms with equivalence, rather than equality, because of those differences.
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A positive influence can be a role model, regardless of sex.
It's not an insult for a man to be feminine.
Determined women aren't bitches. One could easily argue that determined men are bastards. Alas, not mutually exclusive to women.
And not really. If a boy puts up a poster of say, Hilary Clinton in his room, for his role model, it's going to be 'a little weird'. But a girl putting up a poster of Barrack Obama? Totally fine, no weirdness at all.
But you just confirmed my point... Being called gay (sadly) is still an insult. Even being confused for being gay, for some people, is an insult. A masculine girl isn't necessarily a lesbian, should could just be a tomboy. But any slight feminism in men, OH NO BAD.
What defines a bitch then? Tell me a strong female, who at some point hasn't been called a bitch for fighting for what she believes in.
I'm just trying to figure out how oppressed they must feel to go to these lengths... And what they must believe needs to change to make them stop.
Seems a lot of feminism can be drawn to the confusion over men and women being the same, men and women being different, and men and women being equal.
Yes, culture creates gender roles. It's like asking why girls = pink, and boys = blue. There's no real reason.
I'm not saying (again) that women should be locked into kitchens, but I was just talking with our CEO the other week, about how rare it was in his day, to have women being the victim of abuse. Of course it happened, but where more women are now in a male dominated environment, combined with their desire to rebel and pressure from nations to force more women in the work place, there is a backlash and that is causing issues.
I've used this example many times, as it is what is close to my heart, business. Last year a European Commission started to work on a law that would FORCE large companies, or companies that have earn a certain amount, or fit into a certain set of criteria, to have 50% of their board comprised of women. This is totally not acceptable to me, not because they're women, but because if a women in my company was good enough to be on the board, she already would be.
I would needed to have fired several hard working men, with families from the company to ensure the board doesn't get to large, and this would've been just as sexist, as I had to do it because they're men.
Women are not in a good position. As I've said, women do generally have less rights, but they have to earn them and that comes from growing up, sitting down at the table and talking. Running around with your tits out, trying to act like men, and being aggressive to the other sex, is not getting women anywhere, in a world still heavily dominated by Men in the top positions.
Where are all the fat and ugly guys in commercials and media? Exactly... same place as fat and ugly women. Nowhere.
If a fat woman gets media attention she is a brave and awesome girl but a fat and ugly man who gets media attention is
an old disgusting pig and probably a pedophile.
The sexism towards men are actually as big of a problem as the one towards women. It is just more socially accepted.
Maybe at a young age girls can be tomboy's but usually its not necessarily a good thing.
If you think all strong women are bitches that sounds like a personal problem.
You do all realize Feminism is equality.
It is not women are better than men.
It's called feminism, because it's fighting for women's rights. Men have the rights, women just want the same ones.
And of course, there are always extremists. And they should be treated as all extremists are, ignored.
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