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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Cidis View Post
    Does it matter that Durumu's Baleful Gaze has a higher minimum damage, but a lower max damage? Does this make any shots do less damage than with another of the 522 weapons?

    I'm not exactly sure on how normalization works for this kind of thing.
    It's a slight loss afaik.

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    Wish people did Normal Mode BiS list aswell as Heroic, because some of us will never see Heroic towards the end. Also sometimes they don't line up directly between Normal and Heroic (as in one piece being BiS on Heroic List doesn't mean it will be on Normal).

    EDIT: Read through the post and saw somewhat of a Normal Mode BiS however it includes pieces that aren't available, such as the Elegon Trinket with two upgrades (which you can't get now).
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  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Spl4sh3r View Post
    Wish people did Normal Mode BiS list aswell as Heroic, because some of us will never see Heroic towards the end. Also sometimes they don't line up directly between Normal and Heroic (as in one piece being BiS on Heroic List doesn't mean it will be on Normal).

    EDIT: Read through the post and saw somewhat of a Normal Mode BiS however it includes pieces that aren't available, such as the Elegon Trinket with two upgrades (which you can't get now).
    Thing is, people who aren't equipped or going to do full heroic clears shouldn't care about BiS.
    Out of all the hunters in the western world (didn't keep track of asians), only one (Déla of envy) managed to achieve full BiS from last tier, due to the bracers being a BMAH only item.
    Not counting the bracers, the count of hunters who got full BiS was less than 25. Out of those, only 3-5 or so of us managed to keep up with our VP upgrades to get +20 upgrades (out of the 20 aviable). A few of them may have opted to save up a little more VP for 5.2, but having more than 2K aviable seems unlikely (I was left with 500 when I got my 22th upgrade, meaning doing 20 upgrades would have left you with 2K at patch-day).

    Basicly, BiS is not something anyone should assume they'll "get". And normal mode is even worse - let me give you an example:
    Say you're a normal mode hunter, you've got 489 bracers and 496/503 rings from stone guards, windlord and protectors elite.
    You kill Primordius, and a 522 set of haste+mastery bracers drop.
    These aren't BiS, the ones from the vendor are (crit+mastery) - but as the ring has a socket, haste, and crit, over mastery/exp or no socket and haste/crit, plus twenty item levels of worth of stats, whats the clever thing to do here - buy the ring, or buy the BiS bracers? The ring, obviously.

    And what if you manage to get one heroic down that opens up for 2-3 new items, now you have to redo the whole BiS list. You have to account for thunderforged items, you have to make sure you can reforge correctly, etc... It's just too much of a hassle, really, to make a BiS list that isn't actually "BiS".

    If you want to have a list of the best gear you can get, you're best of just making it yourself. Here's what the criteria is when we make a list, from top prio to bottom.

    You must be able to reach 2550 hit/expertise, and while reaching it, sacrifising stats in the order Haste>Mastery>Crit.
    The item must have as much agility as possible.
    The item must have as much crit as possible.


    That's basicly it.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    Bow: Taoren, the Soul Burner 2/2 (BM/SV) Lei Shi , Voice of the Quilen (MM) Iron Qon
    Head: Saurok Stalker's Headguard Twin Consorts
    Neck: Necklace of the Terra-Cotta Archer ???
    Shoulders: Saurok Stalker's Spaulders Iron Qon
    Cloak: Pinionfeather Greatcloak Ji-Kun
    Chest: Saurok Stalker's Tunic Dark Animus
    Bracers: Beady-Eye Bracers Tortos
    Gloves: Saurok Stalker's Gloves Council of Elders
    Belt: Links of the Disintegrator Durumu the Forgotten
    Pants: Conduit-Breaker Chain Leggings Lei Shen
    Boots: Quakestompers Tortos
    Ring 1: Seal of the Shado-Pan Assault 1250 VP
    Ring 2: Gore-Soaked Gear Dark Animus
    Trinket 1: H Bottle of Infinite Stars 2/2 Elegon
    Trinket 2: Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault 1750 vp

    Should be this before heroics.
    with the new procs on trinkets, the list continues the same?

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by lyral View Post
    with the new procs on trinkets, the list continues the same?
    I'd say no. That list is unfinished now. With thunderforged items being available for everything the vp ring gets replaced by the thunderforged jinrokh ring and thunderforged voice of the quilen is better than taoren. I was getting great uptime on renataki's earlier. I'm unsure of which trinket would be the best though.

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  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    Bow: Taoren, the Soul Burner 2/2 (BM/SV) Lei Shi , Voice of the Quilen (MM) Iron Qon
    Head: Saurok Stalker's Headguard Twin Consorts
    Neck: Necklace of the Terra-Cotta Archer ???
    Shoulders: Saurok Stalker's Spaulders Iron Qon
    Cloak: Pinionfeather Greatcloak Ji-Kun
    Chest: Saurok Stalker's Tunic Dark Animus
    Bracers: Beady-Eye Bracers Tortos
    Gloves: Saurok Stalker's Gloves Council of Elders
    Belt: Links of the Disintegrator Durumu the Forgotten
    Pants: Conduit-Breaker Chain Leggings Lei Shen
    Boots: Quakestompers Tortos
    Ring 1: Seal of the Shado-Pan Assault 1250 VP
    Ring 2: Gore-Soaked Gear Dark Animus
    Trinket 1: H Bottle of Infinite Stars 2/2 Elegon
    Trinket 2: Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault 1750 vp

    Should be this before heroics.
    How accurate is this now?
    (Not counting trinkets) trying to let guild hunters know what to shoot for...there's 6 of us :P

  7. #67
    The post above yours should detail how accurate it is.

    But, the trinkets would probably be bad juju + renataki's soul charm, just by roughly looking at them.
    Last edited by Tehstool; 2013-03-14 at 10:49 AM.

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    So Basically its:

    Helm: Tier
    Neck: Trash Drop - neck of the Terra-Cotta Archer
    Shoulders: Tier
    Cloak: Ji-Kun - Pinionfeather Greatcloak
    Chest: Tier
    Gloves: Tier
    Belt: Durumu - Links of the Disintegrator
    Legs: Lei Shen - Conduit-Breaker Chain Leggings
    Boots: Tortos - Quakestompers
    Ring 1: Jin-Rokh - Sign of the Bloodied God
    Ring 2: Dark Animus - Gore-Soaked Gear
    Trinket 1: Council - Bad Juju
    Trinket 2: Jin-Rokh - renataki's soul charm
    Weapon: Iron Qon - Voice of the Quilen

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Yavania View Post
    So Basically its:

    Helm: Tier
    Neck: Trash Drop - neck of the Terra-Cotta Archer
    Shoulders: Tier
    Cloak: Ji-Kun - Pinionfeather Greatcloak
    Chest: Tier
    Gloves: Tier
    Belt: Durumu - Links of the Disintegrator
    Legs: Lei Shen - Conduit-Breaker Chain Leggings
    Boots: Tortos - Quakestompers
    Ring 1: Jin-Rokh - Sign of the Bloodied God
    Ring 2: Dark Animus - Gore-Soaked Gear
    Trinket 1: Council - Bad Juju
    Trinket 2: Jin-Rokh - renataki's soul charm
    Weapon: Iron Qon - Voice of the Quilen
    That looks right.

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  10. #70
    GL on getting that HEROIC Trash Drop to drop. It will most likely be BMAH exclusive. If it ever appears that is. My advice? Dont build a BiS with statistical improbable drops. Take it out and see what you get according to your math.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Runenwächter View Post
    GL on getting that HEROIC Trash Drop to drop. It will most likely be BMAH exclusive. If it ever appears that is. My advice? Dont build a BiS with statistical improbable drops. Take it out and see what you get according to your math.

    Afaik the "trash" drops can randomly drop off bosses. So it's perfectly reasonable to have a boss drop on the list.

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  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Yavania View Post
    So Basically its:

    Helm: Tier
    Neck: Trash Drop - neck of the Terra-Cotta Archer
    Shoulders: Tier
    Cloak: Ji-Kun - Pinionfeather Greatcloak
    Chest: Tier
    Gloves: Tier
    Belt: Durumu - Links of the Disintegrator
    Legs: Lei Shen - Conduit-Breaker Chain Leggings
    Boots: Tortos - Quakestompers
    Ring 1: Jin-Rokh - Sign of the Bloodied God
    Ring 2: Dark Animus - Gore-Soaked Gear
    Trinket 1: Council - Bad Juju
    Trinket 2: Jin-Rokh - renataki's soul charm
    Weapon: Iron Qon - Voice of the Quilen
    ...and Beady Eye Bracers - Tortos

  13. #73
    What have i missed? Why has the trinkets changed?

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    What have i missed? Why has the trinkets changed?
    Blizzard likes to troll and super buffed the Real PPM trinkets.

    http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...inket-changes/

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  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    Blizzard likes to troll and super buffed the Real PPM trinkets.

    http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...inket-changes/
    I quess i can't trust FD, right?
    Because it still shows that bottle is better then bad juju.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    I quess i can't trust FD, right?
    Because it still shows that bottle is better then bad juju.
    Yeah, it should be a considerable dps increase over the H bottle 2/2. Even with bad RNG (which shouldn't happen with the new hotfixes) on bad juju and good RNG on the H bottle 2/2 they should give about the same agi gain, just that bad juju has more secondary stats too.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-15 at 12:11 PM ----------

    On a side note: the trinkets will only increase in value too. Assuming at least a ~2 minute downtime between pulls which would make the chance to proc 14.836822916% on the pull (with haste effects averaged in) which is pretty good for a .55 Real PPM trinket.

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  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    Yeah, it should be a considerable dps increase over the H bottle 2/2. Even with bad RNG (which shouldn't happen with the new hotfixes) on bad juju and good RNG on the H bottle 2/2 they should give about the same agi gain, just that bad juju has more secondary stats too.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-15 at 12:11 PM ----------

    On a side note: the trinkets will only increase in value too. Assuming at least a ~2 minute downtime between pulls which would make the chance to proc 14.836822916% on the pull (with haste effects averaged in) which is pretty good for a .55 Real PPM trinket.
    Alright, and hows about the one from VP? Is renataki's soul charm really better?
    Also, are bad juju + renataki's soul charm the bis for hc aswell?
    Im quessing hc bloodlust is one of the BiS for MM?
    Sorry for the wall of questions lol

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    Alright, and hows about the one from VP? Is renataki's soul charm really better?
    Also, are bad juju + renataki's soul charm the bis for hc aswell?
    Im quessing hc bloodlust is one of the BiS for MM?
    Sorry for the wall of questions lol
    I don't know about mm, but bad juju and renatakis seem to give the most agi which is what we like and the VP one is still pretty good probably a 3 way tie for N tbh.

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  19. #79
    For the Normals BiS list.. How come noone is considering the crafted boots Dreadrunner Sabatons with the 2 red sockets?

    Also for the rings, I would say that Seal of the Shado-Pan wins over Sign of the Bloodied God.. This is without taking Thunderforged into account.

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    Whilst the vast majority will never see them the true BiS boots are from Ra'den - http://www.wowhead.com/item=95009

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