The same argument was used for T14, and yet good WW's always found a good timing for FoF use. Yes, it's clunky, but it's manageable.
---------- Post added 2013-02-27 at 10:17 AM ----------
I never use had over 4k haste in T14 and I doubt i'll be pushing high haste in T15 only enough to keep from energy capping.
You've probably played ptr or know about this, but with the change to mastery our starting damage per stack of tigers eye brew will be at 1% per stack. From my understanding current WW is reforgeing out of mastery so my question is will you immediately reforge into as much mastery as possible or will you just wait until gear upgrades? Will your current mastery be enough to overcome that 1% damage per stack? Follow up question, since our "burst" is somewhat unique in the sense that its more controllable on how consistent we want it t be, will it be viable outside of phases where damage is increased or hero is poped to use Tigers eye brew at lower stacks to keep dps stable rather then bursting every so often when stacks reach 10?
I apologize if my questions seem a tad awkward. Played Mw over recent patches and setting up a WW offspec.
In theory no you won't want to pop it with a lower stack. However that will depend on the situation and that will be a boss by boss basis not really a perfect answer for it. Best practice will be using a 10 stack.
In addition, Mastery's weight will be different depending on your TeB uptime, which will be affected by a number of factors - including but not limited to whether or not you have your 4set, the type of fight (that is, how you use your TeB, as that can vary from fight to fight), and trinket choice (note that I wrote the stat prio before Rune trinket was announced). Of course - the stat weights right now are pretty speculative, but I believe that a haste/crit build will be fine at patch launch (given that the MAJOR change to our TeB uptime will come with our T15 4set, in addition to higher item level).
FoF scales with haste; having that much haste will not remove it from the rotation. However, with higher energy regen, I can foresee energy regen to be a moot point as far as FoF useage (as most people tend to use it rather than AA for a time). I'm not sure where this belief that it'll fall out of our rotation came from, given that it will give us a full stack of TeB upon useage and its channel duration will be shortened. Other than the rampup math I did a while back, except that was based around a 3.5s channel - a higher amount of haste will decrease channel time greatly (mine is ~2s right now at 4K haste during Lust), so I imagine the 5.1 fix to it will make it scale better - and a quicker channel will give it more useage, even in movement fights.
I tend to enjoy about 500 haste more than most due to playstyle (that and I don't use the 4-piece which would also bring down the amount of haste I need). So I would be aiming for ~6500 Haste Rating. Am I correct in the sense that secondary stat gems; at least at the start of the patch; would be more valuable than straight agility to reach our new haste points?
I've seen people aiming for 6500 without the 4set, and I can agree with the line of thought - the fact that we scale well with haste in ways other than energy regen just makes sense to me. I've personally only favored higher item-level gear, and gear with better itemization, though with a preference to retain 2set. It just makes the most logical sense when you take into account tiger strikes/attack speed rather than just energy regen for haste.
I personally wouldn't go beyond 6K haste, but I have considered forging into a little bit more simply because - even with the best EB and FoF usage for most fights - I've just found myself less comfortable with my energy. It does coincide with me transferring servers, though, so my lack of lag just leads to more actions per minute, leading to just more energy useage.
Edit: wanted to add that the people I mentioned who are going as high as 6K haste also happen to be monks I know that are ranking on fights. So it's not like they are bad players - I'll be the first to admit that they are much better than I am.
No I was talking about the Tiger Strikes comment, Overall once you get to a point where generation keeps the rotation fluid and dynamic I can't see a reason to keep stacking into haste. I haven't seen many high parses with high haste players I'll probably have to do some more digging and research this week since it was a fast raid week!
Granted they currently have a bug on their latest release that makes Chi Wave not do damage. This was just "hack" fixed (meaning it works but not the most clean solution) a few minutes ago so adding in the line:
Should work next release and improved our dps by a bit.
However yes I'm testing at a Heroic geared level so it is possible I'm showing Mastery with a much larger gain as i'm at 10.98 Haste ( 4668) & 32.19% Crit ( 6618 ) so my values might be different than yours.
---------- Post added 2013-03-01 at 05:56 PM ----------
All you can get from PTR raids is qualitative comparisons, like "this boss favors burst damage so mastery is good", or "there is a lot of aoe on this boss so mastery is bad". You just cannot fight a Thunder Throne boss for a sufficiently long period of time to make conclusions.
I suggest you made some calculations. Having somebody's opinion is good, but certainly not sufficient to claim that crit or mastery is better.There is no way after our changes that Mastery will be valued @ .50 that just isn't happening
I do observe a high mastery stat weight for very high gear levels. What were your stats like when you did your testing ?However yes I'm testing at a Heroic geared level
Raid buffed 15% Haste, 40% Crit or in that range.I do observe a high mastery stat weight for very high gear levels. What were your stats like when you did your testing ?
I discovered a new item which is not on the dungeon journal loot lists: Tia-Tia, the Scything Star
Dropped from Council of Elders (and looks awesome).
http://ptr.wowdb.com/items/97130-tia...-scything-star / http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=97130 is the heroic thunderforged version which i looted, but it doesn't seem to be in wowdb/wowhead yet.
I thought there was another thread talking about Tia-Tia?
Persionally, though - meh. Hit/Exp? We will be swimming in that, from the looks of the loot list. Either way, though, the variety of weapon choices is wonderful. I don't see any reason to go 2H, unless one were in a 10M and just had bad luck with 1Hs.
Also, Req, I think what you're missing is that the things saying crit > mastery have math behind them. Not just simulations. Yes, math isn't perfect - but there's a very good explanation for it: our mastery ONLY affects us while TeB is active. It will probably not be active 100% of the time. However, our crit will be active 100% of the time - meaning that it will be affect every hit. That is why at higher levels of haste, mastery will overtake crit - but probably not before that. My estimate - now that CB:TP is fixed - is that our 4P will make Mastery much stronger to stack over crit. I can't see that being mathematically logical prior to that.