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Any thoughts on the change for UF increasing LvB damage by 10%? Will it be worth taking over EB now?
Last edited by Griffeth; 2013-02-19 at 05:15 PM. Reason: Meant LvB and not LB
Hell, I've been using PE > EB this entire tier already, so this is just icing on the cake for me. :P
Called it. I don't think this is going to be that much better.Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Last edited by Funky; 2013-02-20 at 06:32 AM.
I'm honestly not going to be surprised if Ele comes out on top of the pack this tier, potentially even enough to warrant some mid-tier nerfs (especially our cleave damage; I don't see this CL change sticking AT ALL).
I think with the changes to Unleash Elements and Shamanism (80% increased dmg from lightning bolt), we will soon hit a point where LvB is moot because Blizz thinks the way of buffing shamans is just giving us better LBs.
I am frankly disappointed. I don't think those changes will get us anywhere near the top of the pack, considering most other specs also got buffs. All around we'll stay bottom, Blizzard are notorious for being bad at balancing elemental shamans.
What about adding some thing to either lava burst or lightning bolt that has a similar effect as the tier 8 4set bonus?
(4) Set: Your critical Strikes from Lightning Bolt cause the target to take nature damage equal to 8% of the Lightning Bolt's damage over 4 sec sec.
Edit: with lava burst it would be a % rather than on crit
5.1 sims have...
Lava Burst 180k dpe
Lightning Bolt 65k dpe
EB/Shocks 125k dpe
Going from a 50% shamanism (150% of normal damage) to 70% shamanism (170% of normal) is only a 14% increase to Lightning Bolt. Far from the 100% increase LB would have needed to pass up EB/Shocks, and even farther from Lava Burst.
I have started to hate EB for some reason, nice to be trying PE out.
From the MMO-Champ front page.GC we've still yet to get a clear cut answer on whether or not Lava Burst will scale (i know you hate that word, sorry) with crit rating (IE More crit chance = higher damage like Soul Fire/Chaos Bolt). Also, Bombay or Tanka Rey?
You used the word correctly, so no worries. What makes me reach for the Bombay are vague concerns about "scaling issues" masquerading DPS buff requests. (If you're worried about your DPS, just be up front and say you're worried about your DPS.)
We are unlikely to add extra crit damage to Lava Burst given the amount of time we have left for testing because we don't feel we can accurately predict what it would do to gear or rotational choices, and there is a PvP burst risk as well. We're not against the idea in theory and might try it at a future date once we have more information about what the 5.2 changes do to Elemental overall.
I dont see why they would be afraid of our PvP burst if LvB scaled with crit.... Sure if you let a Shaman freecast with Ascendance up, the burst will be really strong, but it's not like we have Shockwave or any other instant stuns (cap totem requires 3sec charge up & positioning) that will make it unavoidable for players. They can LoS, interrupt, silence, stun us, fear us, etc.. There's plenty of room to escape and survive.
Compare that to a warrior popping reck + banner + avatar while you're in a 4sec shockwave into a fear.. Both instant CC's which you cant do much to avoid (tremor totem the fear, but still means you'll eat the fear and get interrupted if you try to cast anything) while the warrior gets to nuke you.
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So after some testing on the PTR, I can say that the buffs aren't quite as big as I was hoping. I went from about 89k unbuffed on the dummy on live to about 94k unbuffed on the dummy with my live gear (T14, not T15) It's a nice increase (~6%), but nothing super amazing. Our AoE, on the other hand, is fucking stupid, lol. I was able to maintain a little over 180k casting nothing but unglyphed CL with 0 buffs and 0 CDs. With ascendance and totem, or with 5 targets, our AoE/cleave is going to be mindfuck high, lol.
I also did some preliminary testing with multidotting two dummies and running the same rotation that I did with single target, and it was basically identical DPS to my single target. So it's not a DPS loss to multidot, but it's not much of a gain. This was with the 4pc T15, by the way, both the ST test and the multidot. I didn't test with 3+ targets, but I'm suspicious that multidotting three or more will begin to be a DPS loss, same as multidotting two was in 5.0-5.1.
If only every fight was a full cleave the whole time, then we could really be competitive with other classes! This makes me sad
Oh, and even MORE CL damage, lmao. Our AoE is going to blow everyone else to fucking hell, lol. I wonder if we're going to shit on people in RBGs because of it.
Edit: Oh, and the Elemental Focus buff definitely wasn't live yet, and that's 5% increase for a very large percentage of our damage (I'd guess close to 90%). I can still see us being very high for single target. We'll have to see how it plays out once the next PTR test hits. I'll post results when I can.
If you need some help testing on the PTR let me know. I know I only have starter gear but I will do what I can.
If our AoE is that retarded, it makes me wonder if we'll end up being insanely sought out for challenge mode runs. I have only completed one thus far (Scarlet Halls) and managed to pull ~68k on our only full clear (silver). Seems like getting through trash mobs is the part that takes the most time, least from my very limited experience.