Thread: Upgrade Help

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    Upgrade Help

    I'm looking to get some more performance out of my dated and rather crappy rig. Had it for several years at this point and am doing some research as to how to get some more out of it while I save up to build a new one. Used to be able to do 25 mans back in Wrath just by turning the settings down and run 10s at max settings. At this point, I'm having to drop down to low in 10s and I can't even do 25s/LFR. Trying to figure out what the hell is going on at 1 fps . . . sucks.

    I believe my main problem is the processor. I'm looking at upgrading to whatever I can find that will go along with my motherboard configuration. Several questions that I have:

    1) Can an AM3 go into an AM2/AM2 + board?
    2) Would I have to do a fresh install of windows if I were to get a new processor?
    3) Would I have to update my BIOS?
    4) Is a Phenom II x4 955 BE going to net me some solid performance upgrade? I'm really just looking to be able to get some decent fps in raids . . . and by decent, I'd be happy with 20fps in a 25 man. Sure as hell beats 1-5 fps.

    Dxdiag pasted below for further information. Looking for any other advice as well. I know the rig sucks


    Code:
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    System Information
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    Time of this report: 1/23/2013, 16:19:05
           Machine name: DAEDALUS
       Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333)
               Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: MSI
           System Model: MS-7374
                   BIOS: Default System BIOS
              Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) 9600 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
                 Memory: 8192MB RAM
    Available OS Memory: 8192MB RAM
              Page File: 1842MB used, 18633MB available
            Windows Dir: C:\Windows
        DirectX Version: DirectX 11
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
       User DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
     System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
        DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
         DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode
    
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    DxDiag Notes
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          Display Tab 1: No problems found.
            Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
            Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
            Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
              Input Tab: No problems found.
    
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    DirectX Debug Levels
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    Direct3D:    0/4 (retail)
    DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
    DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
    DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)
    
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    Display Devices
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              Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4650
           Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
              Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x9498)
               DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
             Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9498&SUBSYS_24511682&REV_00
         Display Memory: 756 MB
       Dedicated Memory: 1013 MB
          Shared Memory: 3839 MB
           Current Mode: 1440 x 900 (32 bit) (60Hz)
           Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
          Monitor Model: Acer AL1916W
             Monitor Id: ACRAD86
            Native Mode: 1440 x 900(p) (59.887Hz)
            Output Type: HD15
            Driver Name: aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx32,aticfx32,atiumd64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atiumdag,atidxx32,atiumdva,atiumd6a.cap,atitmm64.dll
    Driver File Version: 8.17.0010.1129 (English)
         Driver Version: 8.970.100.3000
            DDI Version: 10.1
           Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
       Driver Date/Size: 7/4/2012 01:25:14, 1081856 bytes
            WHQL Logo'd: n/a
        WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
      Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-D7D8-11CF-5B71-5B04BEC2C535}
              Vendor ID: 0x1002
              Device ID: 0x9498
              SubSys ID: 0x24511682
            Revision ID: 0x0000
     Driver Strong Name: oem13.inf:ATI.Mfg.NTamd64.6.1:ati2mtag_R7X:8.970.100.3000:pci\ven_1002&dev_9498&subsys_24511682
         Rank Of Driver: 00E60001
            Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C 
       Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                         {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY 
                         {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                         {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY 
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                         {3C5323C1-6FB7-44F5-9081-056BF2EE449D}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                         {552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                         {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                         {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY 
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC1,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC4,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                         {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(S342,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
           D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
                DXVA-HD: Not Supported
           DDraw Status: Enabled
             D3D Status: Enabled
             AGP Status: Enabled
    
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    Sound Devices
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                Description: Speakers (2- High Definition Audio Device)
     Default Sound Playback: Yes
     Default Voice Playback: Yes
                Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_14627374&REV_1000
            Manufacturer ID: 1
                 Product ID: 65535
                       Type: WDM
                Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
             Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
          Driver Attributes: Final Retail
                WHQL Logo'd: n/a
              Date and Size: 11/20/2010 05:44:23, 350208 bytes
                Other Files: 
            Driver Provider: Microsoft
             HW Accel Level: Basic
                  Cap Flags: 0x0
        Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
    Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
     Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
                  HW Memory: 0
           Voice Management: No
     EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
       I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
    Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
    
                Description: Digital Audio (HDMI) (High Definition Audio Device)
     Default Sound Playback: No
     Default Voice Playback: No
                Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10DE&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_10DE0101&REV_1000
            Manufacturer ID: 1
                 Product ID: 65535
                       Type: WDM
                Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
             Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
          Driver Attributes: Final Retail
                WHQL Logo'd: n/a
              Date and Size: 11/20/2010 05:44:23, 350208 bytes
                Other Files: 
            Driver Provider: Microsoft
             HW Accel Level: Basic
                  Cap Flags: 0x0
        Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
    Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
     Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
                  HW Memory: 0
           Voice Management: No
     EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
       I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
    Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
    
                Description: Digital Audio (S/PDIF) (2- High Definition Audio Device)
     Default Sound Playback: No
     Default Voice Playback: No
                Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_14627374&REV_1000
            Manufacturer ID: 1
                 Product ID: 65535
                       Type: WDM
                Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
             Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
          Driver Attributes: Final Retail
                WHQL Logo'd: n/a
              Date and Size: 11/20/2010 05:44:23, 350208 bytes
                Other Files: 
            Driver Provider: Microsoft
             HW Accel Level: Basic
                  Cap Flags: 0x0
        Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
    Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
     Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
                  HW Memory: 0
           Voice Management: No
     EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
       I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
    Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
    
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    Sound Capture Devices
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                Description: Microphone (2- High Definition Audio Device)
      Default Sound Capture: Yes
      Default Voice Capture: Yes
                Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
             Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
          Driver Attributes: Final Retail
              Date and Size: 11/20/2010 05:44:23, 350208 bytes
                  Cap Flags: 0x0
               Format Flags: 0x0
    
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    DirectInput Devices
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          Device Name: Mouse
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: n/a
    Vendor/Product ID: n/a
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: Keyboard
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: n/a
    Vendor/Product ID: n/a
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: USB Receiver
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC52B
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: USB Receiver
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC52B
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: USB Receiver
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC52B
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: USB Receiver
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC52B
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: USB Receiver
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC52B
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: USB Receiver
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC52B
            FF Driver: n/a
    
    Poll w/ Interrupt: No
    
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    USB Devices
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    + USB Root Hub
    | Vendor/Product ID: 0x10DE, 0x077B
    | Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
    | Service: usbhub
    
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    Gameport Devices
    ----------------
    
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    PS/2 Devices
    ------------
    + Standard PS/2 Keyboard
    | Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
    | Service: i8042prt
    | 
    + HID Keyboard Device
    | Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC52B
    | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
    | Service: kbdhid
    | 
    + Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
    | Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
    | Upper Filters: kbdclass
    | Service: TermDD
    | 
    + HID-compliant mouse
    | Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC52B
    | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
    | Service: mouhid
    | 
    + Terminal Server Mouse Driver
    | Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
    | Upper Filters: mouclass
    | Service: TermDD
    
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    Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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          Drive: C:
     Free Space: 416.0 GB
    Total Space: 953.8 GB
    File System: NTFS
          Model: WDC WD1001FALS-00Y6A0 ATA Device
    
          Drive: E:
          Model: ASUS DVD-E616P3H ATA Device
         Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.01.7601.17514 (English), , 0 bytes
    
          Drive: D:
          Model: TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B ATA Device
         Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.01.7601.17514 (English), , 0 bytes
    
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    System Devices
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         Name: VIA 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3044&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_C0\4&331F316A&0&4840
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_077A&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&98
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard RAM Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0754&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&00
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1201&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C1
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Realtek RTL8169/8110 Family PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.20)
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8169&SUBSYS_311A1385&REV_10\4&331F316A&0&3040
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0778&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&80
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Coprocessor
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0753&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&0B
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1200&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C0
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0AD0&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&48
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: High Definition Audio Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0774&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&38
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: NVIDIA nForce PCI System Management
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0752&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&09
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: High Definition Audio Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_AA38&SUBSYS_AA381682&REV_00\4&12A0700A&0&0180
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_077E&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&21
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet 
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0760&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&50
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard RAM Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0751&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&0A
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: ATI Radeon HD 4650
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9498&SUBSYS_24511682&REV_00\4&12A0700A&0&0080
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_077D&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&20
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard ISA bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_075D&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&08
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard RAM Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0568&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&0C
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_077C&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&11
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_075B&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&90
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1204&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C4
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_197B&DEV_2363&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_03\4&35162CB&0&0098
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_077B&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&10
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_075A&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&40
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1203&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C3
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_077A&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&A0
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0759&SUBSYS_73741462&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&30
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1202&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C2
       Driver: n/a
    
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    DirectShow Filters
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    DirectShow Filters:
    WMAudio Decoder DMO,0x00800800,1,1,WMADMOD.DLL,6.01.7601.17514
    WMAPro over S/PDIF DMO,0x00600800,1,1,WMADMOD.DLL,6.01.7601.17514
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    ATI Ticker,0x00200000,0,1,Ticker.ax,
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    Color Space Converter,0x00400001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    WM ASF Reader,0x00400000,0,0,qasf.dll,12.00.7601.17514
    Video Memory Render Filter,0x00200000,1,0,VideoMemoryRenderFilter.ax,
    Screen Capture filter,0x00200000,0,1,wmpsrcwp.dll,12.00.7601.17514
    AVI Splitter,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    VGA 16 Color Ditherer,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    SBE2MediaTypeProfile,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
    Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder,0x005fffff,2,4,msmpeg2vdec.dll,6.01.7140.0000
    AC3 Parser Filter,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.7601.17528
    StreamBufferSink,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
    MJPEG Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    DivX for Blizzard Decoder Filter,0x00800000,1,1,blizzard.ax,5.00.0002.0000
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    SAMI (CC) Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    VBI Codec,0x00600000,1,4,VBICodec.ax,6.06.7601.17514
    ATI MPEG File Writer,0x00200000,1,0,atimpenc.dll,12.05.0000.20704
    ATI MPEG Video Decoder,0x005fffff,1,2,atimpenc.dll,12.05.0000.20704
    MPEG-2 Splitter,0x005fffff,1,0,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.7601.17528
    Closed Captions Analysis Filter,0x00200000,2,5,cca.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    SBE2FileScan,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
    Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,msmpeg2enc.dll,6.01.7601.17514
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    MPEG Audio Decoder,0x03680001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    MMACE ProcAmp,0x00200000,0,2,MMACEFilters.dll,
    DV Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,qdv.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    Video Mixing Renderer 9,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Microsoft MPEG-2 Encoder,0x00200000,2,1,msmpeg2enc.dll,6.01.7601.17514
    ATI MPEG Audio Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,atimpenc.dll,12.05.0000.20704
    AMD MJPEG Decoder,0x00800001,1,1,atimpenc.dll,12.05.0000.20704
    ACM Wrapper,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Video Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    MPEG-2 Video Stream Analyzer,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
    Line 21 Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,qdvd.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Video Port Manager,0x00600000,2,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Video Renderer,0x00400000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    ATI MPEG Video Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,atimpenc.dll,12.05.0000.20704
    ATI MPEG Multiplexer,0x00200000,2,1,atimpenc.dll,12.05.0000.20704
    VPS Decoder,0x00200000,0,0,WSTPager.ax,6.06.7601.17514
    WM ASF Writer,0x00400000,0,0,qasf.dll,12.00.7601.17514
    VBI Surface Allocator,0x00600000,1,1,vbisurf.ax,6.01.7601.17514
    MMACE SoftEmu,0x00200000,0,2,MMACEFilters.dll,
    File writer,0x00200000,1,0,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
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    iTV Data Capture filter,0x00600000,1,1,itvdata.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    ATI Video Scaler Filter,0x00200000,1,1,atimpenc.dll,12.05.0000.20704
    WAV Dest,0x00000000,0,0,,
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    MMACE DeInterlace,0x00200000,0,2,MMACEFilters.dll,
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    AVI Draw,0x00600064,9,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    RDP DShow Redirection Filter,0xffffffff,1,0,DShowRdpFilter.dll,
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    DV Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,qdv.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    SampleGrabber,0x00200000,1,1,qedit.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    Null Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,qedit.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x005fffff,1,0,Mpeg2Data.ax,6.06.7601.17514
    Microsoft AC3 Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,msac3enc.dll,6.01.7601.17514
    StreamBufferSource,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
    Smart Tee,0x00200000,1,2,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    Overlay Mixer,0x00200000,0,0,qdvd.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    AVI Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    AVI/WAV File Source,0x00400000,0,2,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Wave Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Multi-file Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    File stream renderer,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    ATI Video Rotation Filter,0x00200000,1,1,atimpenc.dll,12.05.0000.20704
    Microsoft DTV-DVD Audio Decoder,0x005fffff,1,1,msmpeg2adec.dll,6.01.7140.0000
    StreamBufferSink2,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
    AVI Mux,0x00200000,1,0,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    Line 21 Decoder 2,0x00600002,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    File Source (Async.),0x00400000,0,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    File Source (URL),0x00400000,0,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Infinite Pin Tee Filter,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    Enhanced Video Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,evr.dll,6.01.7601.17514
    BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00200000,2,0,psisrndr.ax,6.06.7601.17669
    MPEG Video Decoder,0x40000001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    IL FL Studio DXi,0x00200000,1,1,FLSTUD~2.DLL,1.00.0013.0000
    IL Multi FL Studio DXi,0x00200000,1,1,FLSTUD~1.DLL,1.00.0013.0000
    
    WDM Streaming Tee/Splitter Devices:
    Tee/Sink-to-Sink Converter,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514
    
    Video Compressors:
    WMVideo8 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,wmvxencd.dll,6.01.7600.16385
    WMVideo9 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,wmvencod.dll,6.01.7600.16385
    MSScreen 9 encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,wmvsencd.dll,6.01.7600.16385
    DV Video Encoder,0x00200000,0,0,qdv.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    MJPEG Compressor,0x00200000,0,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Cinepak Codec by Radius,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    Microsoft RLE,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    Microsoft Video 1,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    
    Audio Compressors:
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    WMAudio Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,WMADMOE.DLL,6.01.7600.16385
    ATI MPEG Audio Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,atimpenc.dll,12.05.0000.20704
    IMA ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    PCM,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Ogg Vorbis (mode1),0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Ogg Vorbis (mode2),0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Ogg Vorbis (mode3),0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Ogg Vorbis (mode1+),0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Ogg Vorbis (mode2+),0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Ogg Vorbis (mode3+),0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Microsoft ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    GSM 6.10,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    CCITT A-Law,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    CCITT u-Law,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    MPEG Layer-3,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    
    Audio Capture Sources:
    Microphone (2- High Definition ,0x00200000,0,0,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
    
    PBDA CP Filters:
    PBDA DTFilter,0x00600000,1,1,CPFilters.dll,6.06.7601.17528
    PBDA ETFilter,0x00200000,0,0,CPFilters.dll,6.06.7601.17528
    PBDA PTFilter,0x00200000,0,0,CPFilters.dll,6.06.7601.17528
    
    Midi Renderers:
    Default MidiOut Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    
    WDM Streaming Capture Devices:
    HD Audio Microphone,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514
    
    WDM Streaming Rendering Devices:
    HD Audio HDMI out,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514
    HD Audio Speaker,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514
    HD Audio SPDIF out,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514
    
    BDA Network Providers:
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    Microsoft DVBC Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514
    Microsoft DVBS Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514
    Microsoft DVBT Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514
    Microsoft Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514
    
    Multi-Instance Capable VBI Codecs:
    VBI Codec,0x00600000,1,4,VBICodec.ax,6.06.7601.17514
    
    BDA Transport Information Renderers:
    BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00600000,2,0,psisrndr.ax,6.06.7601.17669
    MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x00600000,1,0,Mpeg2Data.ax,6.06.7601.17514
    
    BDA CP/CA Filters:
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    Encrypt/Tag,0x00200000,0,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.7601.17708
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    WDM Streaming Communication Transforms:
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    Audio Renderers:
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    Default DirectSound Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    Default WaveOut Device,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
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    DirectSound: Digital Audio (HDMI) (High Definition Audio Device),0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
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    DirectSound: Speakers (2- High Definition Audio Device),0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
    
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        Enabled:
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        Allow batching
        Force half deinterlace
        Force scaling
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      PowerFlags: 1424
        Enabled:
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        Allow batching
        Force half deinterlace
        Force scaling
        Decode Power Usage: 0
    Last edited by noteworthynerd; 2013-02-15 at 03:57 PM.

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    Hoping to help as much as I can, but I'm nowhere near as skilled as some of the people on these forums. Hang tight for them to reply.

    1) AM3 has 941 pins, an AM2(+) socket has room for 940. Based on that, I'd go with 'No'. Someone might correct me... (It's a far smaller difference than what intel cpu's show, not sure what the effect is..)
    2) Not necessarily, although I did have to do it when switching from a 32 to 64bit mobo/cpu combo.
    3) Not necessarily, although it could be that the support for better CPU's have been added later. If so, flashing the bios would be necessary.
    4) I really can't comment on this with my limited experience.

    Hope it helps. It's not much, but at least it bumps your post back to the top!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsredd View Post
    Hoping to help as much as I can, but I'm nowhere near as skilled as some of the people on these forums. Hang tight for them to reply.

    1) AM3 has 941 pins, an AM2(+) socket has room for 940. Based on that, I'd go with 'No'. Someone might correct me... (It's a far smaller difference than what intel cpu's show, not sure what the effect is..)
    2) Not necessarily, although I did have to do it when switching from a 32 to 64bit mobo/cpu combo.
    3) Not necessarily, although it could be that the support for better CPU's have been added later. If so, flashing the bios would be necessary.
    4) I really can't comment on this with my limited experience.

    Hope it helps. It's not much, but at least it bumps your post back to the top!
    Oh I'm in no hurry I jumped the gun when I built this rig in the first place without doing adequate research, so I'm attempting to be VERY thorough. Especially while saving up for my new rig.

    I seem to recall reading somewhere the AMD had designed the AM3's to go into the AM2/+ chipsets to increase backwards compatibility.

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    I did read something about that, but could only easily find posts that were dated before the release of AM3. ie: they were definitely planning on doing it.

    As I said, it's only a 1pin difference, and you might be right on it being backwards compatible. For instance, it's much easier to assume a 2011 pin CPU will not fit into an 1155 socket. Considering it has nearly double the amount of pins. But for AMD.... I'm really not knowledgeable at all I'm afraid.

    But don't worry, the guru's must respond soon.

    And not being in a hurry is generally a good idea! I did the exact same as you, rushed into buying things only to find out later it wouldn't work as I imagined.

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    1) Can an AM3 go into an AM2/AM2 + board?: Some, not all. What motherboard do you have?
    2) Would I have to do a fresh install of windows if I were to get a new processor?: New processor? No. New Motherboard? Yes
    3) Would I have to update my BIOS?: ...Maybe? Again, it depends on your motherboard, and CPU
    4) Is a Phenom II x4 955 BE...: Possibly yes... However.

    It seems that you're getting lower frames than you ought to be, even with your current setup. While I agree that your system isn't a powerhouse... It shouldn't be lagging like it is.

    I would maybe double check drivers, reinstall WoW, clean out your system a bit and check temps, first, before doing anything regarding upgrades. Your system is about as good as the one I upgraded from about a year ago, and it ran WoW 25s just dandy on Low/Medium settings
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    The motherboard I have is the K9N2 SLI Platinum (MS-7374). Will post a link as soon as I can.

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    I believe your MB would support this CPU, however... The MSI website seems to be... missing info, or broken, or something, and it only lists those two CPU's when I KNOW it supports more. So the accuracy of if it will support it is put into question.

    Besides, at that price $200 you'd be better off getting an i3 motherboard and cpu setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    I believe your MB would support this CPU, however... The MSI website seems to be... missing info, or broken, or something, and it only lists those two CPU's when I KNOW it supports more. So the accuracy of if it will support it is put into question.

    Besides, at that price $200 you'd be better off getting an i3 motherboard and cpu setup.
    He could get a B75 board + i5 3350P for $240.

    That 4650 is an awfully dreadful card. Probably doesn't help any.

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