Strategically, it's not a good move at all.
Strategically, it's not a good move at all.
Last edited by Andron; 2013-02-25 at 01:58 PM.
so its not about PTR , its not about Testing the spec or tuning numbers , its not about some pvp or pve balance
its all about Represenation
More infinite wisdom. "Please provide us numbers (and sims dont count) as to why you think X is good or Y is bad or Z is broken". Community then scrambles and gives them numbers. "Ok thanks. However, we think most players feel differently, so we won't be using those".Positive feedback on what basis? Because on the PTR the seal hasn't been working correctly at all.
While actual testing is the most valuable, I'd say we get 75% of our feedback just from player reaction and theorycrafting.
Basically, it's all a numbers (subs/representation) game and not an actual numbers game.
Ret is in a bad place, but it's a popular class/spec. Until such time as it's no longer popular, it will remain unchanged.
Lock's not getting a lot of representation: Quick, class overhaul!
Rogue's not getting a lot of representation: Quick, over-buff the ever-living shit out of them!
Nobody is playing monk (after we nerfed the shit out of MW): Quick, sweeping buffs for WWs!
Rets are complaining about poor survival and sustained damage: More Rets than other classes, don't worry about it.
20k and counting...Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
League of Legends) does. Not necessarily aura effects, but some kind of passive effect that remains active while a seal is active, plus for a duration after swapping to another seal.
Someone a few pages back mentioned an idea about having two seals active at once, and having additional effects based on the combo. You could add this to the seal-twisting concept along with the short-duration buff after switching, with the additional effects taking place while the previous seal's buff.
Last edited by Palatinus; 2013-02-26 at 09:05 PM.
Seal of Truth
Possibly a reflective damage mechanic here. I don't PvP much, but everything I've ever read points to Ret having an issue of being focused. Some kind of way to make other players leery of going full out on you might help.
The only issue that I can think of is in the numbers. In order for it to be a detriment, I'd think it would have to be high, to promote the counterplay of waiting for the Ret to swap to another seal (perhaps for another of these passive effects). But on the other hand, if it's too high, you'll have an avalanche of QQ and it'll be removed.
I figure you'd want this passive a majority of the time, for incidental damage, DoTs, and possibly for the first few hits of getting focused (before cooldowns or swapping to another seal).
Seal of Righteousness
I figure this probably gets no use in PvP, but I figure I'll go over it for the sake of completely covering the seals available.
I'm thinking that the passive on this should be something that increases damage output based on the number of hostile targets nearby. Since I know PvE AoE damage is a concern, it amps your damage when it's needed (i.e. everything's alive and wants to eat your face) but it can't be abused.
Values here would probably have to be in the single digits, possibly 3% to 6% per nearby enemy. "Nearby" would probably qualify as what the range of the seal's damage is (8 yards as of now).
I have no idea how often AoE pressure is needed in PvP, so I'm not entirely sure on where this would fall in PvP situations. In PvE, you'd have this for the start of a large AoE pull or fight phase, and then swap down to SoTruth to clean up (and still enjoy the benefits of this seal's passive for the few enemies left over).
Seal of Justice
I'm going off of the "slow on melee attack" version for this one. Now it has a strange kind of place in the seal setup, since it's damage, but also offensive utility focused on movement. So I'm thinking its secondary passive could be a reduction in movement speed slows. Perhaps keeping you from being slowed past 80% speed.
That number may have to be lower, since this would be a completely passive effect for as long as SoJ is up plus six seconds, but I'm not sure how that sits with the PvP community at large.
Obviously this would be used when you're attempting to reach a target with pesky slows (CURSE YOU FROST MAGES) or when trying to stick to slippery melee opponents. You'd also be able to swap to SoT after reaching them and still have the movement speed protection for the opening few seconds of cooldowns. In PvE, there's plenty of occurrences where you may have to deal with a large slow (hell, watch the Council of Elders video from ToT), so it could even see use there.
Seal of Light
To be perfectly honest, I'd love for SoL's passive effect to be Battle Healer. I can't remember the particular soul from Rift, but I know one of the melee oriented ones from the Cleric class had the ability to splash healing based on melee damage, and that was a full-on passive ability.
You'd be able to use it while possibly weathering your way through the opposing team's burst, then when you swap to dealing damage you'll maintain the splash healing for the highest point of your damage (which means the healing itself will be higher). PvE players could go from SoT to SoL when raid-wide damage phases start, meaning you maintain the damage reflection for the damage, but start helping out your healers through heavy raid damage.
As for the whole system, I'd say pull seals off the GCD, but put them on a shared, 6 second CD. However, add seals to the Sanctity of Battle ability list (I'm not 100% about this, because I'm not so sure haste needs any more value). The 6 second buff after swapping from a seal would remain 6 seconds, meaning that at high points in haste (i.e. Heroism, trinkets, etc.) you could have the passive effect rolling from three seals (albeit at maybe a 1 second window).
I think the idea of having seals affect other spells we have would be pretty interesting. For instance, have SoI make Cleanse magic like a healer on a 15 sec CD and Battle Healer baseline, or an old Judgment of Light effect like people punching the target have a chance to heal for 3% of their max hp or something. Obviously this would be counteracted by the fact that we are losing seal damage, which would become a big part of our damage with this system.
Could make SoJ cause TV to root the target for 3 seconds, etc. This would require reworking and retweaking, but honestly Ret needs a skill-cap of some sort.
Go, Blizzard, go!
Another positive tweet from GC regarding ret;
@Ghostcrawler Take a look at this http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/23...diator-titles/ … Ret pala rep for Glad spots as low as monks, even with high overall rep. Ret is much less viable at high ratings? % of players in glad range is much lower than any other spec/class
@DerbyyWoW It is really hard to isolate the effects of paladins who just go Holy because heals are always good and Holy is a little imba.
Oh wait no, that answer had nothing to do with the question. Sorry