Can you make a normal BIS ?
Can you make a normal BIS ?
Edit: T14N BiS List - http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-T15N-BiS-List
Also, just to bring to everyone's attention, there are a few Thunderforged pieces popping up on Wowdb that were not previously listed prior to 5.2 launching. After a few weeks we should have a record of all the Thunderforged pieces available, and I'm sure Tecton will be able to update WrathCalcs with these new pieces. As such, there's a couple of pieces here that may change, like the cape, belt, boots and which piece of tier will be off-set. Will be interesting to see the changes, at least.
Last edited by Slippykins; 2013-03-08 at 01:00 AM.
i guess i was wrong and thunderforged drops like a prom dates pants. dps at the end of this tier should be fun
for a crit build, one small change would be reforging haste to crit on the main hand or maybe switching back to nadagast because it has a lot more crit and a yellow socket. (i will run numbers after raid, just noticed you updated) and thank you for this and the t14 bis list.
Updated your latest version on the sheet Slippy (saved as T15H profile, will be uploaded in a few minutes), with a couple of changes:
Breath of the Hydra Heroic TF swapped in, and Fetish of the Hydra Heroic TF swapped in too. Takes the profile back over hit cap by 13, so probably some room for juggling a few reforges to get optimal results.
Spirit/Crit rather than Hit/Crit gems, as it's a better option if you need to use the items in a Resto set now and then.
Ok, i've been thinking of something. Maybe it's just terribad, so i'll try to explain.
On a critical optimisation, what about dropping 4PC T15 for only 2PC with HS Magaera's Head + Gloves on Dark animus.
So let's say you drop heroic thunderforge items, is the bonus intell + secondary stats + socket(on gloves) enough worth it to compensate 4PC bonus ?
As i said, maybe it's just so baaaaad so.
@Slippy Sorry to back peddle; so you're using incarnation+hotw, full crit, but past 5273 haste do you favor more haste over mastery, or mastery over haste?
Haste is basically equal to Crit at 4t15H levels, Mastery is ~15% behind them. Actually, while checking this it's showing a DPS increase to swap a couple of gems back to Haste in the current profile Slippy. Dunno if you were just going with Crit because it's more useful in practice, which makes sense too.
Dropping the 4 piece bonus for extra TF geared won't be worthwhile, it's worth ~7k on this profile at the moment (less in-game due to it interacting with NG, obviously, but still not low enough to be worth dropping).
So the way I figure it, most fights in ToT involve more than 1 target, so crit > haste most of the time. So yes, just sticking with crit for the practical use of it. I was more concerned with the scaling of the haste breakpoint and how much it's reduced by the Sinister meta gem than with haste to be honest.
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Edit: I'm going through the new H TF options at the moment to see if there's a better set. Because of the obscene amounts of spirit/hit on our gear, the only two options we really have for off-piece will be hat or chest, and the off-piece cannot have spirit or hit on it. This is why the current TF chest is a good off-piece to have. The Hood of Smoldering Flesh isn't very good, considering the 1.2k spirit over cap I can't seem to get rid of. This could change with other H TF options coming out that could replace some of the spirit on our gear, but at the moment it just isn't viable.
Pretty much no changes, just going to stay with 13 over hit cap for the time being, better than 9 under hit cap imo.
Last edited by Slippykins; 2013-03-08 at 10:32 PM.
Assuming every item has the chance to be Heroic Thunderforged wouldn't the cloak off Durumu take over as the better option?
I saw a few days ago a debate on a problem about the warrior dps bis list if its better to go with 2set & 3 offset pieces or 4set & 1 offset piece, due to more overall stat gain from the 1st option. This led to remind me that our 4 set gives us 2 secondary stats mastery and crit for the duration of NG, now on a simple math going with shoulders and hands 2set and megaera thunderforged heroic helm (spirit+crit), horridon thunderforged heroic pants (mastery+crit) and ra-den thunderforged heroic chest (mastery+haste) might be a dps increase compared with a 4set combo while the set pieces can't be thunderforged and because you get overall more int, crit, haste, less mastery all the time while the bonus from 4set NG can't be 100% uptime. My request for any of you that is more familiar with wrathcalcs as i tried to do it and led nowhere(im a rookie/noob when it comes to all this numbers and excel in general) to run a sim and compare it with the list of bis already available. Ty.
what do u think better? normal ilvl 522 mace of lei shen (spirit haste + red gem + legendary gem)
or mace hc ilvl 517 of emperess? (500 int gem + legendary gem)
Is it worth replacing the hc mace ilvl 517 or just wait until heroic lei shen (cus that will take few good weeks or even months) or should we go with heroic staff? (ji-kunHEROIC staff: spirit \ haste + blue gem + legendary gem) until we can put our hands on the heroic mace of the king. (same staff on horridon heroic: just hit + haste)
Last edited by omri1212000; 2013-03-12 at 05:48 PM.
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Does this affect UVLS in our BiS in any way?
March 12 Hotfixes:
Protections for unlucky streaks have been added for trinkets that use the RPPM (real procs per minute) system.
Activation chance for trinket effects on a pull has been increased.
Every time the trinket fails to activate, there's an increasing chance that it will activate.
Increased the activation chance for agility and strength trinkets from Throne of Thunder by 10%.
Increased the activation chance for intellect and spirit trinkets from Throne of Thunder by 5%.
I wonder if that will be enough to bump the lei shen trinket back into the bis list...