The Lich King
I love Kel'Thuzad's voice...plus ya never know with a guy who basically died on purpose the first time. Actually any guy who dies and then you can refer to it as 'the first time' I'd say it's fairly easy to imagine returning again.
Kil'jaeden first because we only denied him entry in azeroth and knowing him the rage is over 9000 and illidan because it's death don't make sense at all.
How about we let the parenting of kids to... their parents? No, seriously, World of Warcraft is a videogame. Gaming it's supposed to be a fun activity (if you have that fun through challenges, social interactions, etc is completely up to you). Not some kind of "School of Hard Knocks about the Real World".
I'd much rather see new plot lines developed over the coming few years. We've seen a lot of new content built within Mists of Pandaria, and it is nice to have something completely new, that is still being fleshed out as we travel around the continent.
Constantly relying on original characters from the Warcraft series is fine, and while there are still many great characters left, I can't imagine the list lasting forever.
That said, despite the fact we've cut of Onixyas head three times now, I see no reason why Illidan couldn't return, as I quite like him as a character, and more so after the End Time Heroic.
Kel'thuzad would be quite nice, but the main issue I have with a lot of these returning characters is, I already feel as if I have defeated them, even after their return. The character is the same, the story is the same, so the sense of overcoming new enemies is lost on "re-hashed bosses".
Kel'thuzad felt new to me in Wrath, as I never got around to killing him in Classic, but if he was to return again, I'd feel a little annoyed, as I've personally destroyed him several times.
From the poll options:
Illidan Stormrage: Maybe, sure wouldn't mind seeing him be a badass, don't think he was that amazing in TBC.
Kel'Thuzad: Guess he could return since we didn't grab his plylactery, but I dunno who'd rezz him, so bet he's not gonna be coming back.
Deathwing: Would be nice with a more interesting fight than Spine/Madness, but he's gone, don't care much for him, the end.
Kil'jaeden: We only smacked him a little in the face so he'll be back and I wanna see how we handle a commander of the Legion.
The Lich King: Nope, Arthas is gone and Bolvar is the Jailer, we're done with them I feel.
"Reminds me of a dog, you stare at it while it's playing outside... Running around in a circle, then stopping up, wagging with a wide "grin". Jumping around until you call for the dog, then it lowers its tail because it think it's done something bad... And then you throw the ball, seeing the tail go straight into the air in bliss! ^^" - Gehco
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The Lich King
I really dislike the idea/theory of Arthas overwhelming the mind of Ner'zhul when they merged together. I always though of The 2nd Lich King (Arthas/Ner) to be a completely separate sentience with a combination of the minds of both beings, in fact unless I am mistaken there a quest in the Wrath Beta that had the Lich King referring to the fact that he could sense shamanistic powers or referenced that he was a shaman at one time, in reflection to his Ner'zhul side.
I don't want Arthas back somehow (unless by some kind of lore shattering time paradox with the Bronze Flight), I just want the armor to make a comeback with Ner'zhul's mind and soul still bound to it, maybe taking control of Bolvar to attack us.
The way my dream vision of the original Lich King fight would of gone down would of been like this:
-Battle Lich King for first phase/phases.
-Tirion manages to strike him down and somehow remove Arthas from the merged being, similar to the death scene at the end.
-Ner'zhul takes control once more of the Lich King armor, attacking possibly as a phantom/ghostly form wearing the floating pieces of the armor and Frostmourne.
-final phase/or heroic only: Ner'zhul uses all of his necromantic energy to create a giant looming snake-like abomination formed by the countless dead bodies and Scourge in the area, towering big enough to reach the top of the Frozen Throne , a viscous creature formed of bone, flesh, guts and anything else you can think of with the pieces of the Lick King armor imbedded into the fleshy colossus to control it. The now freed Arthas would attempt one last bit of salvation for his soul and would help the heroes along side Tirion to kill Ner'zhul.
But with the non-existent chance in the future the Bronze Dragonflight would make us go back in time and fight a parallel series of events, that didn't happen. The way I would like to see the Lich King return now a days would be with some reason we would need to return to Northrend and in the process find that the remaining Scourge have been held in check by Bolvar. Possibly we would even return to Icecrown Citadel to have a meeting with the new Lich King who would agree to aid heroes in whatever reason they are there, like maybe a return of the Legion which would definitely be a reason for the new Bolvar-controlled Scourge to possibly have similar goals as the Alliance and Horde. So anyway there would be some new rep faction group made up of the Bolvar-controlled Scourge and blah blah blah somehow along the line Ner'zhul manages to take control of Bolvar's body (perhaps by Legions doing) and we need to strike him down once and for all.
I would actually really like to see Algalon make a return appearance in the game, maybe not as a boss, but maybe more as a medium between the mortal races and the Titans, maybe re-encountering him in a new Titan complex and with the change of heart he had at the end of our last encounter he would be willing to use the Titan's own machines to give the races of the world a fighting chance should the makers return in an attempt to re-create Azeroth, possibly acting as a bit of a spy for us to see what they are up to and revealing more about the war against the Old Gods and the first demons of the Twisting Nether and other secrets only the Titan's would know.
Also one boss not on the list: Mannoroth.
Unless I am mistaken his soul should have returned back to the Twisting Nether upon being killed by Grom correct? I could see him being a general on a Legion-controlled world like Argus if we ever get there.
(and yeah I know we don't really fight him in the game besides Well of Eternity but I am counting his WC3 appearance/death)
Last edited by Mechazod; 2013-02-21 at 10:29 AM.
I had a hard time deciding which of the mentioned characters in the poll I'd vote for, but eventually I chose Illidan Stormrage. That does not mean I wouldn't enjoy having to fight the Lich King or Kil'jaeden again either, should the opportunity and lore arrive at some point.
In general I loved fighting the characters I played with in Warcraft 3 and TFT. But I personally feel that it was too early to kill off Illidan since they could've used him much more in the fight versus the Burning Legion. The same applies for The Lich King.
I'd rather not fight Kel'thuzad or Deathwing again, due to the mechanics of the fights as well as their rather dull lore (In my personal opinion. I realize some do not share my view). They were both boring and I never felt like I defeated a major villain but merely a puppet. I've never been a huge fan of the Old Gods and I probably never will. A former guardian of the earth who turns into his polar opposite does not interest me in any way.
In the case of Kel'thuzad I find his lore boring simply because he's not unique in any way what so ever. We've seen many necromancers and other types of sorcerers being turned into Liches (Hello Deathwhisper, Amnenner, Thel'zan etc just to name a few). What is so special about Kel'thuzad?
Logically we will probably face old KJ again at some point, seeing he's still out there somewhere, serving his boss.
Bad - This is a bad player, he refuses to learn how to play correctly.
Casual - This is a player that will let everything else take priority over wow.
Hardcore - This is a player that is fine with putting things on hold while he's on wow.
Bad/Good - Measure of Skill.
Casual/Hardcore - Measure of Time
We've never defeat Kil'Jaeden, just push him back to Twisting Nether. Kel'Thuzad phylactery was never destroyed so we might face them again, and it would be cool if you ask me. Illidan is a tricky one, as deamon cant really die, if you ask me we goin to see illidan again as well. Kael and Arthas are truly dead, so i don't think we will fight them again.
As for topic i would like to kick KJ ass in Burning Legion Capital World (which is propably Argus)
Still, I think Deathwing's story and motivation have been played out, so I don't see why he should return. It could be cool to see him return as a good guy though, as Neltharion.
That said, Illidan wasn't really a bad guy. He was in the grey area the whole time, he even wanted to take out the Lich King for us.
He was cast out by his brother Malfurion and that's when he gathered shady friends as well, but in the end he betrayed the Burning Legion so that doesn't make him evil neccesarily. Killing him didn't feel epic, it felt like it was needed for gameplay but storywise there was no point. That's why I agree with the poll results so far that Illidan should return. Though, why as a raid boss I must ask? Let him return as a character in the grey area, we don't have enough of those. Wrathion is lame compared to Illidan.
Kil'jaeden, of course. He's due for a return anyway; he's not dead.
i am sick of all this remake shit. Hard enough to swallow to have to kill bosses week over week, so i dont need it addon over addon.
Out of those, KJ is the only good choice. We never killed him and I'm 99% sure that we'll see him yet again. And if Illidan is to return somehow, at least don't make him a raid boss, please!
Also Kel'thuzad could be remotely logical, because we never destroyed his phylactery. Just like Illidan, he also never got a proper screen time in WoW, even though they already brought him back once.
Deathwing would be absolutely out of question. Lich King could theoretically work, what with Bolvar being in charge now and such, but to be honest, that would feel cheap. Lich King got a good story and it seriously feels finished, so no reason to bring him back in my opinion.
KJ, acting Lord of the burning legion, as villain of his own expansion.
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