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    Progression of the Darkspear Tribe

    Alright so Vol'jin took a knife to the neck, his people were 'subjugated' for awhile, and the rest of his race is falling down a ladder carved out of villainbats and acting antagonistic when it should be approaching others for help (NOT THE MOGU).

    What's more though, the Darkspear are genuinely falling behind in an increasingly industrialized world. Their 'headhunters' don't really hunt heads anymore because Vol'jin wants peace with the Alliance and frankly, spearthrowing and the like isn't going to be competitive much longer.

    We already saw Bilgewater Marksmen replacing headhunters as ranged support for Grunts in the Twilight Highlands...

    What's next for the Darkspear? They need to make some changes.
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    I feel that way when I look at Vol'jin's newest model. Would be nice if they took possession of some Zandalari assets and made good use of them post-5.2.
    Now you see it. Now you don't.

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    The Darkspear are doomed to extinction, they are a withered tribe that does not find their place. The last hope for the Darkspear in particular, and for all the trolls as race in general were the Zandalari.

    The Zandalari were meant to absorb the Darkspear tribe and thus form a single faction of trolls united under the banner of the Horde. Zandalar should be Horde territory, Zuldazar as the grand troll capital, the King Rastakhan as their wise racial leader and Vol'jin as the new leader of the Horde and savior of the trolls of Azeroth.
    But Blizzard has missed that opportunity forever by destroying the Zandalari, and thus leaving the Darkspear dying...

    Think of it for a moment: all uncorrupted trolls united in one faction and fighting for the Horde, becoming an important hub for the Horde itself and for their own survival, with their powerful naval fleet, their domesticated dinosaurs and the natural reserve of Zandalar: the only one territory of Azeroth that remained undamaged after the Great Sundering thanks to the mystical troll magic...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    The Darkspear are doomed to extinction, they are a withered tribe that does not find their place. The last hope for the Darkspear in particular, and for all the trolls as race in general were the Zandalari.

    The Zandalari were meant to absorb the Darkspear tribe and thus form a single faction of trolls united under the banner of the Horde. Zandalar should be Horde territory, Zuldazar as the grand troll capital, the King Rastakhan as their wise racial leader and Vol'jin as the new leader of the Horde and savior of the trolls of Azeroth.
    But Blizzard has missed that opportunity forever by destroying the Zandalari, and thus leaving the Darkspear dying...

    Think of it for a moment: all uncorrupted trolls united in one faction and fighting for the Horde, becoming an important hub for the Horde itself and for their own survival, with their powerful naval fleet, their domesticated dinosaurs and the natural reserve of Zandalar: the only one territory of Azeroth that remained undamaged after the Great Sundering thanks to the mystical troll magic...
    Okay that would've been cool but it's not what we got and now we've got to deal with it, Blizz isn't going to make the darkspear nonplayable and their rise in power has been painfully slow, but it's there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    The Darkspear are doomed to extinction, they are a withered tribe that does not find their place. The last hope for the Darkspear in particular, and for all the trolls as race in general were the Zandalari.

    The Zandalari were meant to absorb the Darkspear tribe and thus form a single faction of trolls united under the banner of the Horde. Zandalar should be Horde territory, Zuldazar as the grand troll capital, the King Rastakhan as their wise racial leader and Vol'jin as the new leader of the Horde and savior of the trolls of Azeroth.
    But Blizzard has missed that opportunity forever by destroying the Zandalari, and thus leaving the Darkspear dying...

    Think of it for a moment: all uncorrupted trolls united in one faction and fighting for the Horde, becoming an important hub for the Horde itself and for their own survival, with their powerful naval fleet, their domesticated dinosaurs and the natural reserve of Zandalar: the only one territory of Azeroth that remained undamaged after the Great Sundering thanks to the mystical troll magic...
    Except that it's happening the complete opposite. Darkspears are growing, to the point that they are able to fight back the Zandalari's troll unity. They have a nation and they have allies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    The Zandalari were meant to absorb the Darkspear tribe and thus form a single faction of trolls united under the banner of the Horde. Zandalar should be Horde territory, Zuldazar as the grand troll capital, the King Rastakhan as their wise racial leader and Vol'jin as the new leader of the Horde and savior of the trolls of Azeroth.
    But Blizzard has missed that opportunity forever by destroying the Zandalari, and thus leaving the Darkspear dying...

    Think of it for a moment: all uncorrupted trolls united in one faction and fighting for the Horde, becoming an important hub for the Horde itself and for their own survival, with their powerful naval fleet, their domesticated dinosaurs and the natural reserve of Zandalar: the only one territory of Azeroth that remained undamaged after the Great Sundering thanks to the mystical troll magic...
    Most Trolls hold a grudge against Elves, especially the Amani against the High Elves which are now Blood elves.

    Zul'jin hated the new Horde and i doubt any Forest Troll would turn against Zul'jin (even though he's dead).

    Secondly, a Zandalari Loa (http://www.wowpedia.org/Zanza) doesn't really like the Blood / High elves as well, as they stole Troll Magic and adjusted them a bit and sold it as their own creation.


    But it's pretty funny to see how the Zandalari are portrayed now, first their were shown as the "wise" Troll tribe which accepts help from Horde / Alliance to bring their wayward brethen down and since MoP they shown in a much darker light, being allied with the Mogu empire and such.
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    I think that this was what garrosh meant telling vol'jin that he lacks vision.
    Right now best case scenario for darkspears would be taking position of strongest troll tribe of azeroth and uniting/absorbing whatever remains from zandalari after mass slaughter in 5.2. The biggest problem would be with amani who are in very "personal" conflict with blood elves but rest of tribes shouldn't have objections (or choice) in joining darkspears. Its another question if horde actually wants to recruit those miserable failures who can't even destroy a small village defended by old lorewalker adventuring scrub, daughter of blacksmith and few villagers

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    It worries me because Micky Neilson confirmed in a tweet the other tribes out number the Darkspear just HOW they'll survive when their brethren are wiped from Azeroth.

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    Imagine someone like Vol'jin united all the trolls on Azeroth under one banner in some cliched, Avatar-esque fashion? Kind of silly and impressive to think about all at once, but they'd be a force to be reckoned with, wouldn't they?

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    Who knows, maybe in 5.3 he will lead the horde rising against Garosh

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    Pff, who cares? The Darkspear Tribe is really lame compared to the other Troll tribes.

    I mean, the Trolls of Warcraft 2 were taller than Orcs and were almost as muscular. They were total badasses.
    Now let's look at Darkspear Trolls... they're thin and their backs look painful. They simply look weak.

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    I would like the Darkspear to recruit some of the wayward Gurubashi. Sort of like Orcs did with the Blackrock and Dragonmaw. I think it could give them a little more flavor and potentially add some inner conflict within their ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    their rise in power has been painfully slow, but it's there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Except that it's happening the complete opposite. Darkspears are growing,
    Are growing? For the love of God! If they are only just a few trolls who live in some borrowed islets...
    In fact the High Elves of the Alliance outnumber the Darkspear trolls even surpassing them in military power!

    If the Zandalari fall, the troll race will have signed their death warrant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    But it's pretty funny to see how the Zandalari are portrayed now, first their were shown as the "wise" Troll tribe which accepts help from Horde / Alliance to bring their wayward brethen down and since MoP they shown in a much darker light, being allied with the Mogu empire and such.
    Does it look funny? Zandalar trolls were the quintessential of the troll race, were the last hope for a decaying breed. Now if Blizzard decides to kill them, trolls are a race doomed to disappear...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    Pff, who cares? The Darkspear Tribe is really lame compared to the other Troll tribes.

    I mean, the Trolls of Warcraft 2 were taller than Orcs and were almost as muscular. They were total badasses.
    Now let's look at Darkspear Trolls... they're thin and their backs look painful. They simply look weak.
    Exactly, the Darkspear trolls are just marginalized with no future, their only hope was to unite under the orders of King Rastakhan, and so do the Zandalari a new force of the Horde.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    What's more though, the Darkspear are genuinely falling behind in an increasingly industrialized world. Their 'headhunters' don't really hunt heads anymore because Vol'jin wants peace with the Alliance and frankly, spearthrowing and the like isn't going to be competitive much longer.
    This isn't the real world. A magically imbued spear or arrow is way deadlier than random gunfire from conscripts. Technology is not linear in WoW like it is in the real world and strong magic is better than any machine hold the exceptional machinery the Titans made, which melds magic and technology.

    The ability to magically grow buildings in any shape and size you want from wood and stone, for example, is far better and faster than construction crews laying bricks and stones, even if they are using cranes and machinery to do it. Trolls don't use gadgetry, but they use magic to build things and animate constructs of stone, similar to golems dwarves make, to do heavy lifting. They also use magic to control very large animals, which function in a manner similar to hevay vehicles. Zandalari trolls are quite advanced as far as WoW is concerned; the Darkspear shouldn't have too much trouble refurbishing anything they find and putting it to good use to bolster their society.

    If the Zandalari fall, the troll race will have signed their death warrant.
    They've already fallen. Cataclysm destroyed Zandalar, the scattered remnants tried to reunite all the troll tribes and were thwarted by Vol'jin. They've gone and tried to unite the Mogu as well to carve out an empire in Pandaria but clearly they are being defeated there as well. "Last Stand of the Zandalari" is a wing in ToT. That was it, they gave it all they had. The Darkspear will live on. They've got new paths to pursue picking up Druidism and all and they've long since deviated from the typical Troll archetype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    Are growing? For the love of God! If they are only just a few trolls who live in some borrowed islets...
    If they are 10 today and tomorrow they are 15, it's a grow.

    Remember, this is the tribe that not more than 10 years ago were about to become Naga food. Now they have a new homeland, a position on Azeroth and a new generation coming up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    If the Zandalari fall, the troll race will have signed their death warrant.
    The Zandalari already fell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constellation View Post
    This isn't the real world. A magically imbued spear or arrow is way deadlier than random gunfire from conscripts. Technology is not linear in WoW like it is in the real world and strong magic is better than any machine hold the exceptional machinery the Titans made, which melds magic and technology.

    The ability to magically grow buildings in any shape and size you want from wood and stone, for example, is far better and faster than construction crews laying bricks and stones, even if they are using cranes and machinery to do it. Trolls don't use gadgetry, but they use magic to build things and animate constructs of stone, similar to golems dwarves make, to do heavy lifting. They also use magic to control very large animals, which function in a manner similar to hevay vehicles. Zandalari trolls are quite advanced as far as WoW is concerned; the Darkspear shouldn't have too much trouble refurbishing anything they find and putting it to good use to bolster their society.

    They've already fallen. Cataclysm destroyed Zandalar, the scattered remnants tried to reunite all the troll tribes and were thwarted by Vol'jin. They've gone and tried to unite the Mogu as well to carve out an empire in Pandaria but clearly they are being defeated there as well. "Last Stand of the Zandalari" is a wing in ToT. That was it, they gave it all they had. The Darkspear will live on. They've got new paths to pursue picking up Druidism and all and they've long since deviated from the typical Troll archetype.
    1. Thing is, there's no sign the darkspear do anything like that.

    2. Again, that's more of a nelf thing for buildings. And while the Drakkari and Zandalar have the golems and animals, the darkspear don't. If they DO take the Zandalar stuff and reappropriate it for the Horde GREAT but I want a sign they're doing it.

    3. Is that what it's called? Because neither Zul nor Rastakhan is present there. The Golden fleet is still out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    Does it look funny? Zandalar trolls were the quintessential of the troll race, were the last hope for a decaying breed. Now if Blizzard decides to kill them, trolls are a race doomed to disappear...

    Exactly, the Darkspear trolls are just marginalized with no future, their only hope was to unite under the orders of King Rastakhan, and so do the Zandalari a new force of the Horde.
    As long as there's a viable breeding population amongst the Darkspear, their race can survive and even flourish long after the remnants of the remaining tribes are wiped out.

    And I actually think you're wrong with that last part. The Darkspear chose the Horde...and the Horde and Alliance are crushing the Zandalari. It seems like the Darkspear chose the side that will actually let them survive and repopulate their species afterward.

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    Right now someone needs to go rescue them and take them somewhere safe before Garrosh stops derping around and realizes the troops he sent are dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constellation View Post
    They've already fallen. Cataclysm destroyed Zandalar, the scattered remnants tried to reunite all the troll tribes and were thwarted by Vol'jin.
    The Zandalari will rise again.

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    I'd love to see the Darkspear gain some power and forces by utilizing the other troll tribes and all their crazy voodoo. Would love to see the Zandalari lose for good and the remaining trolls join the Horde under Vol'jin's command.

    And that isn't happening yet. Until we see Zul or Rastakhan the Zandalari are still out there.
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