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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    originally posed by you a few responses above this one


    Funny I find it rewarding to make a job as easy as possible. Maybe I'm alone in this but I know I have heard this saying from many people growwing up


    Work smarter not harder.


    And I guess bye.
    Where is the word majority in that post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    Not everyone does though. Humans have the will to do things that are against their instincst and their own nature. Its one of the things that make us unique as a specie.

    But when you try to do Generalizations you end up making mistakes like the one the guy i quoted did.

    I will give you a better example, when you go to see the Machu Pichu ruins in Peru, you can follow the Inca Path, which is going up the mountaing following a path that goes up for miles OR you can get up there with one of those electrical chairs than hang on steel wires used to go up in mountains (sorry, the name escapes my mind right now).

    Some people choose the Inca path, others chooce the chairs because they dont enjoy walking for miles and miles. Both get to enjoy the ruins.
    Do they both get a gold coin or any kind of reward other than simply seeing the ruins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    Where is the word majority in that post?
    it is a repetative theme in your recent posts.

    "He thinks everyone feels the same in that

    Working harder = more rewarding.

    When in fact many people feel differently about it."


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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    Do they both get a gold coin or any kind of reward other than simply seeing the ruins?

    Well, they both can buy things up there, the point is, both get the same "rewards", except some people find it more enjoyable to do it the "hard way" of getting up there by walking for miles, and others that dont enjoy that way have the other way and get the same rewards.

    Hint: those walkign for miles dont ask the chairs to be removed nor they ask parts of the ruins to be innsaccesible for those going up by chairs.

  4. #864
    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    http://www.wowwiki.com/Raid


    If you are in a raid instance killing raid bosses you are raiding.
    I asked for a blue response where they stated Blizzard's stance on the definition of raiding because you claimed your definition is Blizzard's definition. If you got your definition from wowwiki then please don't dress it up as "Blizzard's definition". Blizzard doesn't maintain wowwiki.

    I am also surprised to find out that you think soloing MC boss is raiding while getting 40+ people together killing an outdoor boss is not considered raiding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    Well, they both can buy things up there, the point is, both get the same "rewards", except some people find it more enjoyable to do it the "hard way" of getting up there by walking for miles, and others that dont enjoy that way have the other way and get the same rewards.

    Hint: those walkign for miles dont ask the chairs to be removed nor they ask parts of the ruins to be innsaccesible for those going up by chairs.
    although I loved your analogy it really would not apply to the discussion of raiding in wow unless you included such things as the prep time to be fit enough to walk the stairs as opposed to the lack of doing so for the free ride, some form of equal recognition to both groups of people by their peers, and a reward that is earned by the one and not by the other.

    sort of like the walkers earned thier raid boss kill.

    the riders bought a carry by purchasing the ticket to the trolley ie bought a kill from a guild farming content.


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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    I have had an epiphone.
    What does a musical instrument manufacturer have to do with WoW?
    Unless you mean an epiphany. XD

    BC/LK raider ('07-'10)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wow2011 View Post
    I asked for a blue response where they stated Blizzard's stance on the definition of raiding because you claimed your definition is Blizzard's definition. If you got your definition from wowwiki then please don't dress it up as "Blizzard's definition". Blizzard doesn't maintain wowwiki.

    I am also surprised to find out that you think soloing MC boss is raiding while getting 40+ people together killing an outdoor boss is not considered raiding.

    There isn't a blue response on that. Blizzard has not officially defined raiding themselves.


    As to the second part. Where did I say it wasn't? I'm sure that would fall under killing raid bosses meaning yes it would be raiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomana View Post
    What does a musical instrument manufacturer have to do with WoW?
    Unless you mean an epiphany. XD
    you are correct. i misspelled. Although there is a lot of horn tooting going on here. Whoopsy!!


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    Why not just go into a raid instance, push a button that kills boss, collect loot? Because it is fucking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    although I loved your analogy it really would not apply to the discussion of raiding in wow unless you included such things as the prep time to be fit enough to walk the stairs as opposed to the lack of doing so for the free ride, some form of equal recognition to both groups of people by their peers, and a reward that is earned by the one and not by the other.

    sort of like the walkers earned thier raid boss kill.

    the riders bought a carry by purchasing the ticket to the trolley ie bought a kill from a guild farming content.
    The "boss kill" is getting to the ruins, and both do get equal recognition by all people around there.

    About the extra rewards, thats kind of my point, there is no extra reward even when some people take the "hard" path and others the "easy" path, and everyone3 is ok with that. Those doing the "hard" way dont ask for extra recognition or reward, they do it just because they enjoy doing it that way, and the others dont do it the hard way because they dont enjoy doing it that way.

    Not everyone enjoys doing things the hard way, nor all the hard ways to do things are more rewarding to everyone.

    The point is, to each their own, and what the others do or how other people feel more rewarding should not care to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grogo View Post
    Why not just go into a raid instance, push a button that kills boss, collect loot? Because it is fucking ridiculous.
    or better yet. mail me my loot. i do not have the time to log on this week.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    There isn't a blue response on that. Blizzard has not officially defined raiding themselves.


    As to the second part. Where did I say it wasn't? I'm sure that would fall under killing raid bosses meaning yes it would be raiding.
    I am too lazy to quote properly with markup tags.
    First you said: "Raiding is very simply going into a raid dungeon and killing bosses. No more no less." (aka outdoor boss don't count)
    Then you claimed that was Blizzard's definition when someone else disagreed.

    Anyways, I don't want to play word game here and I am sure that is why Blizzard has not came out and defined what raiding is. I am just saying don't dress your opinion or a definition you grabbed from wowwiki as Blizzard's definition and use that to invalidate other people's opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grogo View Post
    Why not just go into a raid instance, push a button that kills boss, collect loot? Because it is fucking ridiculous.
    Because Blizzard thinks, and i agree, that the amount of people that would find that enjoyable is too little.

    But, if enough people would find that enjoyable, why not? Why would you, or i, care about people doing that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    The "boss kill" is getting to the ruins, and both do get equal recognition by all people around there.

    About the extra rewards, thats kind of my point, there is no extra reward even when some people take the "hard" path and others the "easy" path, and everyone3 is ok with that. Those doing the "hard" way dont ask for extra recognition or reward, they do it just because they enjoy doing it that way, and the others dont do it the hard way because they dont enjoy doing it that way.

    Not everyone enjoys doing things the hard way, nor all the hard ways to do things are more rewarding to everyone.

    The point is, to each their own, and what the others do or how other people feel more rewarding should not care to you.
    Although this thread is very interesting I will have to be back later. Have to go run a few miles because for some unknown reason the Army will not drop the standards on the APFT to meet what I can complete more easily. The reward being my continued service. Funny thing it will not drop the standards on my subordinates that may end up receiving counselling statements for failing to meet the standard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkkun View Post
    They didn't abandon it.
    Yes, they abandoned the BC raid design philosophy. No longer is there a single (difficult) raid difficulty that only a tiny fraction of the player population will complete.

    From this, I conclude that they were not satisfied with the BC raid design.

    Wasn't it you who said the current content was too hard that not enough players have completed it prior to 5.2? So hard that guilds were dissolving? Wouldn't that be contradicting your statement that Blizzard isn't catering to a small fraction of the player base?
    The current raid design is not the BC design. It has its own set of problems, but they are not identical to BC's problems.

    In particular, in the context of where this conversation is coming from, the current design does NOT reserve entire raids worth of art assets for 1% of the player population. LFR means those art assets are seeing a huge amount of use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wow2011 View Post
    Anyways, I don't want to play word game here and I am sure that is why Blizzard has not came out and defined what raiding is. I am just saying don't dress your opinion or a definition you grabbed from wowwiki as Blizzard's definition and use that to invalidate other people's opinions.

    But it's ok for you to tell us what raiding is. Got it. I won't bother replying to you anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    But it's ok for you to tell us what raiding is. Got it. I won't bother replying to you anymore.
    At what point did I ever tell anyone what raiding is? Matter of fact, I never even gave my opinion of what raiding should be. I was following the thread and I saw you putting other ppl's opinion down by pulling "blizzard's definition" of raiding out of thin air. Rage quitting after falsely stating something I never did? I would suggest if you cannot stand the fact that people will disagree on opinions then not only should you not reply to me, you should just stay away from forums in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    But it's ok for you to tell us what raiding is. Got it. I won't bother replying to you anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by wow2011 View Post
    I am too lazy to quote properly with markup tags.
    First you said: "Raiding is very simply going into a raid dungeon and killing bosses. No more no less." (aka outdoor boss don't count)
    Then you claimed that was Blizzard's definition when someone else disagreed.

    Anyways, I don't want to play word game here and I am sure that is why Blizzard has not came out and defined what raiding is. I am just saying don't dress your opinion or a definition you grabbed from wowwiki as Blizzard's definition and use that to invalidate other people's opinions.
    Blizzard defines a raid encounter as anything that requires more people than a party. Only appropriate level content counts. Going back and solo'ing old raids doesn't count, but doing old raids at the appropriate level does.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    If you want to take on the greatest challenges World of Warcraft has to offer, you will need allies to fight by your side against the tides of darkness. With parties and raids, you get to rally other players to join you on your quest and defeat whatever evil stands in your way.

    Parties are groups of up to 5 players; you should bring a party if you want to clear most of World of Warcraft’s dungeons. Raids are larger than parties and are generally composed of 10 or 25 players; the toughest monsters of World of Warcraft can only be taken down by these large raid groups. (Source)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    World of Warcraft’s raid dungeons are even more challenging than its normal dungeons. You will likely visit many normal dungeons while your character is leveling up, but raid dungeons are the exclusive domain of high-level characters. Just like dungeons, raids come in various degrees of difficulty and different level ranges. You will need bigger groups of ten or even twenty-five players to bring down the monsters guarding these lairs. (Source)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    No, it's neither harassment NOR ninja'ing to roll on any item the system allows one to.

    Nor is it against any rules to votekick a member from the group - one person can't do it, apparently someone agreed with the rogue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    many do realize that and post statements to support it. they also end up being mercilessly bashed by the advocates of I cannot take time away from bashing you on a fan site in order to farm up my raid mats. LOL
    Mostly, you've been bashed for your generally rude and insulting demeanor. (Which you seem to not even think exists)

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    Although this thread is very interesting I will have to be back later. Have to go run a few miles because for some unknown reason the Army will not drop the standards on the APFT to meet what I can complete more easily. The reward being my continued service. Funny thing it will not drop the standards on my subordinates that may end up receiving counselling statements for failing to meet the standard.
    There is a practical reason for that. They need you to have a minimum training so you can respond better in battle.

    I can assure you its not so that you can feel more rewarding about it.

    I dont think games should have similar requirement than the US Army though.
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