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  1. #221
    As far as im concerned, when it comes to speed running and thus also challenge modes every trick in the book is allowed as long as it is not a pure exploit. Resetting instance to keep buffs, using invis pots, dying on purpose, all are fine. Hell if we were able to use heroism, reset and get the exhaustion cleared but not the buff we would do that too.

    That said im not a fan of scarlet monastary, scholomance and niuzao where you can do rediculous times by clever use of game mechanics. Asuming you have a DK in your group Scholo and SM can both be done about 1-2 mins faster than with a regular group. I honestly dont think DKs should be allowed to use those abilities in Challenge Modes but on the other hand if they removed that now they would also have to reset the times.

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    this is the same as when ensidia used those spellstealed buffs from the plants in sholazar bazin to defeat hodir in 2 minutes, and 1 week later blizzard fixed that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayuEU View Post
    Just to be correct - our tactic involved more than just resetting the adds. I hope people that don't agree with the first 2 minutes of the video can still appreciate the last 10. Our reason for uploading was not to produce a flame war, but to share our enthousiasm for the feature and get a healthy discussion on the scene's aspects started.
    True, but considering you pre-stack the add buffs to 24 stacks and then reset the timer. Those 24 stacks means you can use the existing adds after the reset for a longer time.

    Groups that don't reset the timer have to kill some adds and kite the rest, on your strategy youu just kite all the adds up to the end because you already have some stacks. Thus giving you an advantage. "we did it differently because we kite adds up to the end" is still flawed because of that.

    Yes you did kite the adds up to the end, because you could. But if you want to kite the adds to the end, you can't kill any in the beginning. If you don't reset the timer. Kill 24 adds to get the same buff as you and the kite them to the end. You will never make it because there is not enough adds to last that long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagdar View Post
    True, but considering you pre-stack the add buffs to 24 stacks and then reset the timer. Those 24 stacks means you can use the existing adds after the reset for a longer time.

    Groups that don't reset the timer have to kill some adds and kite the rest, on your strategy youu just kite all the adds up to the end because you already have some stacks. Thus giving you an advantage. "we did it differently because we kite adds up to the end" is still flawed because of that.

    Yes you did kite the adds up to the end, because you could. But if you want to kite the adds to the end, you can't kill any in the beginning. If you don't reset the timer. Kill 24 adds to get the same buff as you and the kite them to the end. You will never make it because there is not enough adds to last that long.
    Still, the team of a previous world record had release a video too, where they used the "get stacks, reset" exploit too. There wasn't a flame war on their topic, though. Don't know why there weren't complaint for their run but there are for this one.
    Anyway, the reset strat is widely known and used but afaik they are the only one who managed to keep up the stacks efficiently.

    Regardless of whether you like that exploit or not, the following of the video is indeed clever and well done.

    What I find particularly funny is that many claim that "the stack-reset exploit shouldn't be use, blahblahblah" but I've never seen any discussion on the two other exploits that everybody uses in this dungeons. The fact that, under certains circumstances you can pull the first boss immediatly or not and the fact that you can pull the trash behind the closed door after the second boss. (I know there's another bug with the drum of the second boss if everyone hit it at the same time, but this one is discussed once in a while, not the two others.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senen View Post
    Still, the team of a previous world record had release a video too, where they used the "get stacks, reset" exploit too. There wasn't a flame war on their topic, though. Don't know why there weren't complaint for their run but there are for this one.
    Anyway, the reset strat is widely known and used but afaik they are the only one who managed to keep up the stacks efficiently.

    Regardless of whether you like that exploit or not, the following of the video is indeed clever and well done.

    What I find particularly funny is that many claim that "the stack-reset exploit shouldn't be use, blahblahblah" but I've never seen any discussion on the two other exploits that everybody uses in this dungeons. The fact that, under certains circumstances you can pull the first boss immediatly or not and the fact that you can pull the trash behind the closed door after the second boss. (I know there's another bug with the drum of the second boss if everyone hit it at the same time, but this one is discussed once in a while, not the two others.)
    The main reason this is being discussed and other tricks are not is because we posted it on MMO-Champion. I think the purify glitch in SPM would have been frowned upon just as much had it been posted here, because it saves at least a minute too.

  6. #226
    Fucking hell. I can't even see the video because i'm on a crappy connection right now >.<
    I don't see the problem really. Since they posted the vid, showing how they did it, it's free for everybody else to do the same.
    It's a bit of cheating in the spirit of just completing it, i guess, but it's not like they kept it secret, which makes it fair enogh.
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  9. #229
    So much anger in one thread, gj Becomplex and friends.

  10. #230

    You cheated, get over it

    Quote Originally Posted by skitzy129 View Post
    The entire concept of speedrunning is to use whatever you can possibly find in the game to complete it as fast as possible. It doesn't matter if it was intended or not, as long as you're not using any external programs or content to gain an edge.

    These guys took the game and data given to them, and found the fastest way to clear the instance with what was given to them. That's what speedrunning is about, and this run is a great example of finding every possible edge within the game to do so.
    If Blizzard is at all consistent with their past behavior, they will fix this bug, wipe the achievement, and likely ban them for a while. It would certainly be deserved. People have been slapped down for much less than this one.

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    big up to me main mans draemii, becomplex and co, keep swangin'

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