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    Yeah my connection is very stable, never had any drops aside from the service going out completely.

    So taking out the OS from the lists and adding in a wireless (usb?) adapter, is Notarget's list looking the best so far?

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    As long as you have a good WLAN device, and a non piece of shit router, and good LOS to the router/modem, it'll be fine.

    Buffalo makes good wireless devices.
    Yeah, that's a lot of if's for most people that want to run wireless and why I normally recommend against it. I've seen people trying to run wireless with a cheap router WLAN device from downstairs on one end of the house to upstairs on the other, then they do not use encryption and get their wireless stolen by neighbors, then wonder why they have issues with lag. However, instead of saying all that, it's easier just to recommend hardwiring. It's cheaper and less chance of stuff going wrong, unless it is just not an option for whatever reason.
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    Main things I'd consider changing on the builds that have been done is

    1) as you are kind of a FOTM gamer and as such you'll be playing a lot of games, I'd definitely consider a 250gb ssd.
    2) I'd also consider the gtx660ti, I have one, and playing a lot of games on ultra settings at 60fps in full raids

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimoo View Post
    Yeah my connection is very stable, never had any drops aside from the service going out completely.

    So taking out the OS from the lists and adding in a wireless (usb?) adapter, is Notarget's list looking the best so far?
    You can easily swap to one of the other cheaper GPU's I mentioned, 7970 will just last you longer. 7950/7870XT/GTX670 etc. will easily be able to keep up though and leave room for a bigger SSD 250GB+. Other than that i'd say the build is pretty spot on for price/performance. You can always nitpick and/or have brand preferences of course.
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    Can I easily swap in an nvidia card? I've only ever used them so I may just stick with them.

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    Yeah for sure, no problem at all.

    Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB ~$365

    Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB ~$280
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    pcpartpicker .com/p/Es23

    How does this look? I've got a friend feeding me his thoughts/opinions as well.

    Actually I see this case doesn't have usb 3.0 on the front, is that a real issue? Should I try for a different case?
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    The PSU is complete overkill and taking away $80 from your budget that could get you a GTX670 or bigger SSD instead. The motherboard is fine but you're kinda paying extra nothing unless you want it for SLI in the future. the Case is entirely up to you, only you know if you'll want/need front USB 3.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by decimoo View Post
    pcpartpicker .com/p/Es23

    How does this look? I've got a friend feeding me his thoughts/opinions as well.

    Actually I see this case doesn't have usb 3.0 on the front, is that a real issue? Should I try for a different case?
    PSU is way overkill. If you look at the top right it gives you estimated wattage, and it's at 341. 750 is more than twice what you need. Leaving headroom for OCing and possible SLI in the future is a good idea, but that is still way more than you need. A 500-550 will be more than enough, 600-620 if you really think you'll SLI later on down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lathais View Post
    PSU is way overkill. If you look at the top right it gives you estimated wattage, and it's at 341. 750 is more than twice what you need. Leaving headroom for OCing and possible SLI in the future is a good idea, but that is still way more than you need. A 500-550 will be more than enough, 600-620 if you really think you'll SLI later on down the road.
    If he wants to leave headroom for SLI 750 is probably a good number.

    Corsair CX 750w

    The biggest overkill part is the gold certification. You also can't easily find a 600-650w PSU with 4 6 pin connectors. Unless they're XFX but then they're more expensive than the corsair 750.

    If he doesn't want to leave headroom for SLI, then yeah, 500-550 will be enough

    XFX Pro 550

    That'd be a good one for no SLI.

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    pcpartpicker .com/p/EyhM

    So something like this then? I like the idea of having some "future proofing" with the mobo/psu so I have to purchase less to upgrade in the future.

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    looks fine, cheap keyboard but otherwise fine :P.

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    Yeah, I've used those memorex spill-proof keyboards for years. Never had any of the fancier/gamer keyboards so I figured as long as it works and has the standard stuff I'd be okay. Though I guess I've got some wiggle room to get a better one now. or maybe upgrade my ssd?

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    I'd upgrade the SSD over the keyboard. you can get a better keyboard later if you so desire.

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    Any suggestions? What do I want to look for in terms of specs when shopping for one? Add about 50 more dollars so I guess 150-160$ish for a new ssd.

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    SSD is perfectly fine, the only "upgrade" you'll be looking for is more capacity. Next step up would be 250/256GB.

    Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk $160

    Also did you decide you wanted the option for SLI in the future?

    Also change the PSU to something better quality like this:

    Antec HCG-620M
    SeaSonic M12II 620

    Both are better quality, cheaper and modular as well. Enough power for SLI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killora View Post
    If he wants to leave headroom for SLI 750 is probably a good number.

    Corsair CX 750w

    The biggest overkill part is the gold certification. You also can't easily find a 600-650w PSU with 4 6 pin connectors. Unless they're XFX but then they're more expensive than the corsair 750.

    If he doesn't want to leave headroom for SLI, then yeah, 500-550 will be enough

    XFX Pro 550

    That'd be a good one for no SLI.
    Here was his previously suggested builds with 2 GPUs in SLI:
    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Microcenter)
    Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.99 @ Microcenter)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($273.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($273.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N180UBE 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.96 @ Amazon)
    Case: Antec Three Hundred Illusion ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: Corsair Professional Gold 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.99 @ Amazon)
    Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
    Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Best Buy)
    Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($16.89 @ Amazon)
    Total: $1532.68
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-19 13:25 EST-0500)

    Estimated Wattage is still only 491 watts. A 600-650 still leaves plenty of headroom. Parts use les power than they used to 3-5 years ago. A 750+ Watt Power supply is really only needed if going for more than 2 GPUs IMO. Even a 650W leaves plenty of headroom and with parts taking less and less power, I fell that it is future-proof enough, especially since I think Single Card setups are more then enough, especially for a single monitor 1080p setup.
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    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Microcenter)
    Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Storage: Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($273.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N180UBE 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.96 @ Amazon)
    Case: Antec Three Hundred Illusion ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($82.98 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
    Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Best Buy)
    Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($16.89 @ Amazon)
    Total: $1246.69
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-19 13:42 EST-0500)

    Swapped in that ssd/psu from Notarget's recommendation. Still a few weeks away from buying it so I'm sure this will be an ever-changing list.

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    Here is the build with the updated SSD. I also swapped the case out. That is a preference thing, but I kept one at the same price. (black interior on black case is a lot nicer imo) I also swapped out the PSU for one of the suggested ones.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.79 @ Amazon)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Microcenter)
    Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Storage: Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.98 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($273.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N180UBE 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.96 @ Amazon)
    Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
    Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($82.98 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
    Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Best Buy)
    Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($16.89 @ Amazon)
    Total: $1280.49
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-19 14:05 EST-0500)

    Now, if you live near a Microcenter (as I see you are in Ohio) you could save a good chunk on CPU and MB. ~$40 savings after tax is added back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    SSD is perfectly fine, the only "upgrade" you'll be looking for is more capacity. Next step up would be 250/256GB.
    Yeah that's what i meant

    Quote Originally Posted by Lathais View Post
    Estimated Wattage is still only 491 watts. A 600-650 still leaves plenty of headroom. Parts use les power than they used to 3-5 years ago. A 750+ Watt Power supply is really only needed if going for more than 2 GPUs IMO. Even a 650W leaves plenty of headroom and with parts taking less and less power, I fell that it is future-proof enough, especially since I think Single Card setups are more then enough, especially for a single monitor 1080p setup.
    I realize that, but i already said that ignoring the fact that 750w isn't necessary, you may have a harder time with finding a good 600w PSU with 4 6 pin connectors. The 660TI uses 2 each. All of the 600-650w PSU's either:

    -Only have 2-3 6 pin connectiors
    -Are more expensive or the same price as the 750
    -from very questionable brands (only 1-2 are in this category)

    Judging by that, wouldn't you agree to get the 750 from a good brand and product line for the same price?

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