But that's the real world, now. Not much more than a half-century ago and earlier, stable, secure, and prosperous nations (and before nations, kingdoms, empires, tribes, etc) were in an almost perpetual state of war, gunboat diplomacy, and intimidation. War was an important part of the national portfolio, and couldn't be neglected.
Thrall is interesting, but something of a hypocrite. A lot like Jaina, actually. He loves to think and talk about peace, but actually Thrall is very pro-war. Let's not forget that all the way through WotLK Thrall passively tolerated Garrosh's violence and warmongering. Then in Cata he rewarded WotLK Garrosh by making him warchief. He could see the kind of leader Garrosh was, and chose him precisely for that reason; he thinks the Horde needs an aggressive leadership. He says as much when Vol'jin complains to him in the new Cata troll starting experience.
I saw Les Miserables the other day; loved it. Take Javert. He is a persistently merciless and dogged agent of the law, hunting the protagonist for decades (and ruining his life over and over) with no good reason other than his exacting dedication to the law, fair or not, and probably a kind inner desire to punish the immorality he fears within himself. But a simple take on the character is that he is an unreasonable and persistent jerk. Is he a bad character? No. Does he improve the story by being in it, despite the fact that without him your beloved protagonist (Jean Valjean) could live in happiness and peace? Yes, he does.
Just like watching the story of an ex-con in 19th century France live a good redeemed life isn't nearly as compelling as watching him struggling to escape his past- Warcraft similarly would be less interesting if the faction leaders were all peaceable, reasonable, and wise leaders who worked together sensibly to live in harmony. We need characters like Garrosh to cause dissonance between the Horde and the Alliance. Jaina does it too- her purge of Dalaran is a classic example of less than fair, but certainly justified, action that widens the gap between the two factions.
Also, having a stupid or brutish character in a story doesn't then make the story itself stupid. Just like filling a story with nuanced intellectuals doesn't make a story intelligent.
Warcraft in all of it's iterations has focussed on the geopolitical rivalries and contests between major (shifting) military factions on Azeroth. The Horde-Alliance conflict is central to the 'Warcraft' brand; it is what distinguishes and defines it from all the other derivative fantasy games.
After all that, though, I will agree with you insofar as I was less than pleased that Blizz went down the whole 'corruption' path again to execute Garrosh's face-heel-turn. He didn't need to be under the influence of dark magic- his characterisation alone was more than enough to put him out of the good graces of his allies, and under the vengeance of the Alliance. That would have been way more compelling, too, the question if Garrosh was a tyrant, or a good leader. If it was right to kill him, if he had gone too far, or if there could have been some other way. Dipping him in evil sauce was very lazy and childish storytelling on Blizzard's part- but they do that all the time (Garrosh, Kael'thas, Arthas, maybe Sylvanas soon, loads of minor NPCs). It'd be nice for a character to die not because an ancient evil infected them and drove them mad, but because their motives ran counter to those that killed them.
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I'm really hoping for Vol'jin.
I don't think Horde needs a warchief, I want them to just have a council of the racial leaders. It's pretty obvious from how Garrosh turned out that maybe having one person in charge isn't all that great of an idea.
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i wouldn't be surprised if its Vol'jin for a while but he lets the position go to an Orc down the road. I've said before the Orcs would really only accept a fellow ORc to be their supreme leader but a troll that helped save them from Garry's tyranny/corruption will be able to assume power for a while, but i can't imagine for long. trufaully id rather have it be him over Thrall, either ship him off to make babehs or kill him already.
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Vol'Jin would be imo the best. I've recently gotten into his lore, and he's a pure badass. Anyone that thinks he's a dramaqueen or whatsoever, go do your homework.
Also imagine what OG would look like if a tranquil troll became the warchief. Yes. Yes.
IDK about Warchief but Orc leader will be Nazgrim, it's time for another promotion.
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