Why is Garrosh so unusually aggressive now?
Because he feels inadequate of Thrall's balls! They're everywhere!
Last edited by Briga; 2013-02-22 at 04:52 PM.
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Im actually not funny, im just really mean and people think im joking.
Garrosh is NOT being unnusually aggressive. Did you not pay attention to the character in Wrath and Cata? He's been highly aggressive since 3.0 and hasn't let up since. Sure, he has a couple of 'honorable' moments like in stonetalon but he's never been shown to NOT be aggressive. There is no need to blame this on sha corruption or anything, it's just the progression of his character as he's corrupted by nothing but his own pride and power.
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The sheer fact that we have people being so asinine as to split hairs over the exact definition of content is a sign that there isn't any worth discussing for non-raiders.
He talks about honor but he almost never carried out.
For example, when he was returning from Northrend, he attacked an Alliance boat that was caught by a hurricane and was sinking, even when Cairne tells him its not honorable to do so.
In Ashenvale, he uses Magnataur to fight the Alliance, even when he knows its not honorable to do so.
In Gilneas, he uses the Forsaken as dead meat sending them to mindlessly attack the fortified Gilneas Gates untill Sylvanna's stops him.
In the very same Theramore, he uses a mass destruction bomb (which is the same reason why he killed the captain in stonetalon) to destroy it.
Garrosh only cares about honor when being honorable doesnt stop him from killing someone. As soon as honor would stop him from some killing, he spits on them, and always has.
Way before MoP Blizzard themselves said that all what garrosh want is to "kill, kill and kill".
He always was, is and will be an idiot skilled Grunt that was put in charge by mistake.
Last edited by Crashdummy; 2013-02-22 at 06:56 PM.
He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it.
Honor is not something dependent on size or military aptitude of your target. It is about fighting to the full extent of your abilities and allowing your opponent to do the same. Garrosh would have no trouble with Krom'Gar if he simply attacked the "school" with his ground forces and won fair and square.
Honor is also not something you do halfway. You either follow it consistently, or you pretend to follow it to fool others (and possibly yourself) into letting you get away with various crap. And the simple truth of the matter is that Garrosh is simply not wired for pretend play.
If Krom'gar earned execution simply by disobeying orders of Garrosh, then there would be no need to bring up honor at all. "I sent you to claim this land, you laid waste to it" would already be reason enough to drop him off the cliff.
However, Garrosh brings up honor. That means Krom'Gar messed up twice. Once by failing to carry out an order. And once by failing to follow the code of honor.
What's more, Garrosh doesn't bring up just any kind of honor. He brings up Saurfang's version of honor, which says that you stick to it even in most dire of battles.
And i can't treat Stonetalon as "exception", either. Garrosh broke his stupor in Outland only by learning that his father restored his honor. This is obviously an important concept to him.
Now, how does bombing Theramore fit into Saurfang's concept of honor that Garrosh seems to stand by in Stonetalon? It plain and simple doesn't. Somewhere between Stonetalon and Theramore Garrosh decided that it's okay to forsake honor, if that makes the battle easier. Somewhere between Stonetalon and Theramore, Garrosh decided that he doesn't need to stick to honor even in most dire of battles. Somewhere between Stonetalon and Theramore, Garrosh forgot the lessons of his father's fate and reverted back to pretty much how he was in Nagrand. Only now empowered.
I am not aware of any lore sources that tell us why it happened.
I can only speculate that the as of yet unrevealed events that resulted in Blackrock orc becoming the leader of Horde's equivalent of Royal Guard left Garrosh either really scared of something, or cornered him in some other way. Which is consistent with his frantic search of radically new sources of power in Pandaria.
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Developing of his personality and building him up as a bad guy, I guess.
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Just for people still saying 'the sha made him do it', incase you've had tape over your ears and eyes since mists has been released, the sha is something that is empowered and drawn to states of its own energy, meaning if something is already angry and aggressive, then the sha of anger would see that as a meal ticket. It doesn't just walk along and say 'I'm going to make you angry, because you totally wasn't before', it makes what emotional states are already there more powerful.
ya, if they just rolled over and died sure. He's not strong enough to force them into his way, why do you think he's going after more and more outrageous things to gain the edge? He can't win conventionally, so he drinks the metaphorical demon blood, just like his worthless father.And he doesn't have the patience to reason with them - just taking them out seems a faster, simpler and more effective solution.
Can thank Kosak for that massive fuck up. But he only gives a shit about Forsaken lore so naturally he isn't worth a crap to write Night Elf lore or even attempting to write it in a way that doesn't come off as pathetic.In which way are other leaders in WoW as daring? Well, Tyrande is, but we know how it ends.
Where are you seeing the loyal troll followers? Vol'jin isn't in your face, he can't afford to be.Vol'jin? Through all the years he merely had the guts and initiative to quarrel with Garrosh two times and then fend off assassins. I don't see trolls particularly inspirated by his example, while Garrosh has quite a lot of passionately loyal followers.
He tempers his boldness with wisdom, something good leaders do.Wrynn? He's apparently now perfect in everything, so I doubt it even counts. He made sense in Cata when he at least had issues, downsides.
Garrosh didn't work on anything. He went from miserable whelp to Super Warrior with a pep talk from Thrall. He sacrificed nothing, he never endured any real hardship. The most suffering he had in his life was being laughed at by the other orcs for throwing up like a miserable wretch. Suddenly he's a military genius and unparalleled in battle. Varian earned his at any rate.The thing is that Garrosh changed things after Thrall's stagnation. And it's not desperation, it's common sense. Characters like Wrynn get their superpowers like a free bonus because they're so awesome, while normal characters have to, you know, work for it.
You've painted a bit of a hypocrisy with garrosh, and not a good one. He becomes a man who seems to believe "force can solve all the problems." You paint him as a character who is relatively similar to who he was in canon lore, and yet he doesn't kill off a guy who obviously has it out for him? Because of a friendship even you say has diminished or is even gone? He's reckless, and yet with little experience in battle, he has the cunning necessary to win battles? That's very contradictory.
Then bringing in Saurfang Junior into the mix and telling him that defeating the Lich King would be what would rid the Horde of Garrosh's influence? He was a smart boy. He wouldn't have fallen for something like that. You have to re-write a character in order for a concept of yours to work, and that's not good.
I don't see any failures. I don't see any struggles. I see a character who only succeeds (against all odds, none the less) and whos only real flaw was his dislike of his dad., which wasn't even referenced after the TBC arc. I would not call that better than what Blizzard did. Not even half as good. Call me harsh, but I've done this so many times (critiquing character stories), and to be truthful people saying that they can write better than a professional writer is a bit of a pet peeve of mine.
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We know very little of him actually. I tried to mix in a flaw into a flawless character, a genuine care for the future of the Horde that would evolve into fear that Garrosh takes over and envy to him almost effortlessly winning the hearts of his army. Jorin's instigation push him into a reckless act, something that's not his element.Then bringing in Saurfang Junior into the mix and telling him that defeating the Lich King would be what would rid the Horde of Garrosh's influence? He was a smart boy. He wouldn't have fallen for something like that. You have to re-write a character in order for a concept of yours to work, and that's not good.
It's fine. I like criticism when it's constructive. This shows that I didn't quite make visible the point I wanted to make. I wanted to add some intrigue and movement to forgotten and wasted characters. The main struggles he was supposed to have would be trusting Jorin, first when he started using fel magics in Nagrand, then after learning about his machinations in Wrath, and ultimately when Jorin betrays him in Cataclysm. The last one is supposed to be hard, he wouldn't believe the evidence until it flies in his face. In canon he didn't have any struggles either - he's supposed to be questioning himself belonging to these people he was appointed to lead. Well, it took me about 15-20 minutes to come up with it, I believe I could do better if I was paid for it. Besides, were there any losses, failures and struggles in canon version?I don't see any failures. I don't see any struggles. I see a character who only succeeds (against all odds, none the less) and whos only real flaw was his dislike of his dad., which wasn't even referenced after the TBC arc. I would not call that better than what Blizzard did. Not even half as good. Call me harsh, but I've done this so many times (critiquing character stories), and to be truthful people saying that they can write better than a professional writer is a bit of a pet peeve of mine.