pandaren is ugly in every way possible.. dont get why any1 would play them unless as a monk =P
That said, I don't really care about the lore, I stopped paying attention to the lore sometime just after WotLK, and since I'm stuck being Alliance at the moment I don't really have any appealing choices for my DK. :/ If I was horde I could be Orc, Tauren, Goblin, which are all appealing races to me. Alliance side? They got nothing. Panda DKs would fix this for me. :/
For the timeline's sake, Panderan should start at lvl 85. But obviously that's rather imbalanced so this is just one of the many instances where gameplay > lore
Let everything be everything to end all these discussions gg.
It´s a Lore Issue. Pandaria was completely sealed off from the rest of Azeroth before the Shattering. And before the Pandaren officially started to appear in the world en masse (MoP) they were just a myth. They shouldn´t have been a myth if there were Pandaren Death Knights roaming around.
There were a tiny handful of Pandaren scattered across Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms, and you're assuming any of them even got close enough to be killed, or found, by the Scourge in order to even be known to Arthas so he could bother converting a single unknown race to his cause. Or that he would use that single Pandaren as a Death Knight and not some other purpose. You're relying on a fairly complicated chain to even get one Pandaren Death Knight created.
Pandaren Death Knights simply don't make any sense. There were too few of them around, and no record of them even being near the Scourge while Arthas was active. Or that Arthas would have ever bothered raising them as Death Knights. There were plenty of Furbolg all over, but we don't see any Furbolg Death Knights. For all we know Arthas didn't think that funny colored corpse was anything other than a sickly Furbolg, assuming he even found a Pandaren to work with in the first place.
If Blizzard can use the lore as an excuse to do less work, you better bet your ass they'll do it.
As to why Arthas would raise one, it's generally spelled out no matter your race that you were an exemplary individual, and the starting cutscene implies with the subtlety of a brick to the head that you were one of the Argent Dawn defense force in the second Scourge Invasion who died and, due to your accomplishments drawing Arthas's eye, get raised as a death knight instead of one of the rank-and-file. Given pandaren culture and the way they look at the world, throwing in an NPC for A Special Surprise that details how the two of you left the Wandering Isle and joined the Argent Dawn wouldn't be too tough--as for faction, they could have easily cannibalized the faction choice UI they put into the beta for pandaren premades (you made your character, clicked Alliance or Horde, and got plopped into the Jade Forest).
That would still be just two Pandaren captured by the Scourge. All the other races had way more than just two examples wandering around.
edit: If you're trying to argue from a player population stance, that's never really effected Blizzard's choices in lore before. The Death Knight starting quests treat it like there's only one Death Knight PC of any given race, with the rest of the Ebon Blade filled out by NPCs both named and unnamed--yes, on RP servers we're free to disregard the implications of A Special Surprise for more original ideas (for better and worse as the case may be) but as far as the actual lore handles it, you're the poor sap who killed his/her best friend at their behest when their speech didn't get through to you.
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The other races were all spread across multiple continents while Arthas was active, not just two captured. Otherwise you're implying that the Archerus Death Knights numbered in the two digits, and barely at that. Not at all what Arthas had in mind. He wanted cannon fodder, which means large numbers. A tiny handful of poorly-trained and under-equipped troops wouldn't have been able to slow down Tirion or the Argent Crusade.
Last edited by Rankin; 2013-02-23 at 04:38 AM.
Even if it's an example of give and take, the fact remains that the quest lore only takes into consideration one DK PC.
Not by a long shot. I'm implying that the lore only takes into consideration one Death Knight Player Character of any given race, with the rest of the Ebon Blade being the named and unnamed NPCs we see everywhere in Acherus, Zul'Drak, and Icecrown.The other races were all spread across multiple continents while Arthas was active, not just two captured. Otherwise you're implying that the Archerus Death Knights numbered in the two digits, and barely at that. Not at all what Arthas had in mind. He wanted cannon fodder, which means large numbers. A tiny handful wouldn't have been able to slow down Tirion or the Argent Crusade.
Now that every race can be almost any class, I don't see why they withhold in this case. I used to like the connection between races and classes, but times have changed. I do not agree with the lore/timeline reasons for denying pandas to be DK.
They're withholding it in this case because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Pandaren were largely isolated from the world, with a very few exceptions. They didn't become widely known until well after Arthas was defeated and Bolvar put the Scourge on lock down. The tiny handful that were out exploring were not significant enough to warrant a playable race/class combination. There were Worgen out and about, there were Goblins out and about. And both in larger numbers than the Pandaren that would have been around at the time.
Panda's were in Warcraft 3 and did fight in the Third War (Mostly on the alliance side) but in a human campaign Arthas did find Pandarens so therefore he did know they existed and should be able to call them from death to his army.