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"There wouldn’t be a lot that Garrosh could do, really, to harm the Horde, and—Thrall had to admit—there was much Garrosh could do to inspire it."
"Garrosh would remind them that they were proud and fierce and unconquerable, and the Horde would cheer and be content until Thrall returned with the real answers to the problems that besieged them." (The Shattering)
Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2013-02-24 at 09:07 AM.
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Why they wrote him to make such an idiotic choice is beyond me. He has seen first hand what Garrosh was like at diplomacy. He had heard reports of what he was like during Northrend. Then had Vol'jin and Cairne warning him. But he did it anyway. This goes beyond being too trusty or having a poor judge of character.
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The book, The Shattering, specifically says figurehead. Thrall never actually makes Garrosh Warchief.
The younger orc’s eyes widened, this time in excitement. “You—you are making me warchief?”
“No. But I am instructing you to lead the Horde on my behalf until I return.”
Did Thrall come back later and make Garrosh Warchief or did Garrosh just usurp complete control?
Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2013-02-24 at 10:09 AM.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Lordy that avatar. I like yaoi and all, but inter-species is creepy.
On topic, I fully expect Thrall to come back and rescue the horde from Garrosh, ignoring the super good idea of putting him in charge in the first place. No way would they bench/exile/kill off the creator's pet. I expect him to be warchief again too. I know they're kinda hinting at the belf guy to make a run for next warchief, but pig will fly when the logical choice happens. We dont want no stinkin elf for warchief, ah boo boo boo.
First off, let me say that I am, solidly, in the camp of the Alliance. I have Horde toons that I like, even love, to play, but when it comes down to it, the Alliance is home to me. Its where I started.
Now that I got that out of the way, there is absolutely zero basis for any repercussions coming back on Thrall because of the actions of Garrosh. Did Thrall promote him to Warchief? Yes. Was it a bad decision? Undoubtedly. However, that does not mean that it is in any way Thrall's fault. Garrosh is his own, independent, sovereign person. Thrall isn't sitting in the shadows manipulating him (boy, wouldn't THAT be a twist?), Thrall isn't even an adviser. He just wants to raise his family and not be Warchief. I can't really blame the guy; for an orc as young as he is, he's done a lot of stuff.
That being said, if Garrosh was a good Warchief, if he somehow managed to cure the thirst and hunger of the people of Durotar without resorting to violence, if he had bridged the gaps between the Horde and the Alliance, if he had worked together with the Alliance as we did in Northrend against the Sha, the Mogu, and the Zandalari, if he had not ordered that dozens of fronts and incursions be launched, and instead sought and found different methods of solving problems other than violence, would we be praising Thrall?
No. That would be stupid. We'd say, perhaps, that Thrall has a good judge of character, that Garrosh despite his faults was the right man for the job. However, most of the praise and glory would fall on the Son of Grom, not the Son of Durotan. But instead, because Garrosh is making all these bad decisions, it suddenly falls back on Thrall? I mean hell, as long as we're at it, why not blame Medivh, too? He's the one who inspired Thrall to go forth and be awesome, is he not?
No. That would be stupid.
This notion that it is somehow Thrall's fault is just disheartening. I can imagine losing faith in Thrall after this, but punishment? Exile? Too far. This, if nothing else, only shows that Thrall is not as infallible as many make him out to be. Hopefully the next Warchief, whoever it is, will make better decisions about who gets promotions.
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I realized something, after finding the posts on the official wow website, that the original post on there, 95% of the posters on it where alliance. Only a couple of posters were horde, and a only a couple of alliance posters had an unbias point to make to the thread.
this is just as likely the case here. Hardcore alliance fanboys who had a bug up there backside about Thrall, an orc, being a hero. Its so childish, its like debating politics with a seven year old.
Thrall didn't make a wise choice because he was choosing the most popular candidate. I do not see how Thrall couldv'e possibly not seen this coming, after knowing the past of Garrosh and Grom. He was disillusional, hoping that somehow Garrosh would improve and be better, though he hadnto have known deep down it would never happen. And this disillusion led to him promoting a man who immediately started war on multiple fronts, costing countless H and A lives. And this guy should go unpunished cause, 'whelp, you werent the one opening war!'
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I just wont like it if Thrall gets no punishment, not even a mention, of the stupidity he displayed in the Shattering. I never hated Thrall, but after ToW, i despised him. ('Your city got destroyed? That sucks. I cant do anything to help you, but ill help my people if you retaliate'.)
Thats the guy Allly were forced to quest with and help, why shouldnt we hate him?
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I'm fairly neutral on this. Whatever the overall story requires to be compelling and refreshing is alright with me. If that involves Thrall as warchief, sure. If not, fine.
Last edited by Lostwood; 2013-02-24 at 06:06 PM.
Regardless of who takes his place as a Warchief I think it would make for an interesting dynamic to have Thrall become an advisor to the next Warchief and the replacement lament upon how difficult a position it is. Thrall get's to stay as a leader in some way, but is no longer Warchief but still plays a large role in the Horde in a constructive manner that also helps the Horde progress in a sensible way while giving Thrall a new narrative.
Thrall realistically after helping defeat Deathwing would also acknowledge that due to his power and responsibility (Something that has very much concerned him since he decided to help the Earthen Ring) that he will not always be around and may eventually die in action. So it would be a wise decision on his part to have the Horde be less dependent on him always being there.
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I'd like the final thrall story to have him killed and his being remembered even with all his faults intact as the Horde's Uther. Everyone in the Alliance knows their most revered Pally had his faults too.