Haha, you guys are still going? No one has said anything new since page 2.
"Terror, darkness, power? The Forsaken crave not these things; the Forsaken ARE these things."
At MoP release: 9 Million Subs
Q4 Analysis: Just over 10 million Subs
Q1 Analysis: 9.6 million subs
9.6 million > 9 million
No, you don't know what you're talking about. When The Burning Crusade was first revealed in PC Gamer in August 2005 (Yeah, I was actually playing then!), the Sunwell Plateau was specifically mentioned as one of the raids they were planning. This was before even the Draenei had been revealed as the Alliance race. Secondly, Kil'Jaeden is the leader of the Burning Legion, and if you didn't know that, you haven't been paying attention. Illidan was opposed to the Burning Legion and was specifically in hiding from Kil'Jaeden, and if you had actually bothered to play and pay attention to The Frozen Throne, you would know that. Why would the entire expansion be about the Burning Legion, and then the final boss be Illidan, who is completely opposed to them? No, Illidan was always meant to be a red herring, you just missed the subtext, the build-up to the release of the expansion, and apparently, The Frozen Throne.The more you write the more you expose yourself as not knowing $%@#. BC was not necessarily planned to have Sunwell. KJ was never the planned last boss and BC was NOT a KJ expansion. It was all about the Burning Legion. Illidan was promoted as the main villain all the way, until Blizzard realized they needed a filler tier 6.5. Sargeras is the man, not KJ. You may want to read as well lol.
Do you want further proof? Kael'thas specifically mentions that he's alive, and going to summon Kil'Jaeden after you defeat him in Tempest Keep. Tempest Keep was out before The Black Temple. He was foreshadowing the Sunwell Plateau and Magister's Terrace.
Now, to address Sargeras...Sargeras has been out of commission since Warcraft I. He was banished when Anduin Lothar lopped off Medivh's head, who Sargeras had been possessing. Sargeras had absolutely nothing to do with Archimonde's invasion in Warcraft III, and he had absolutely nothing to do with the events that occurred in The Burning Crusade.
Keep trying to call me out, and I will continue to show you just how ignorant of the lore you truly are.
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Professor of History at Dalaran University
Part of it just may be politics within company, maybe he wanted more of a say in the game, maybe he had his agenda. Who knows?
Her political motive is only to restore a solid nation and peace for her people. Her attacks against Gilneas have not been her choice. She was ordered to do so.
She is up to something, that's for sure.. But I never seen her as being driven to eliminate all Humans. For all I know she wants to claim Lordaeron for her people.
That, of course is in contradiction to the humans, who also claim Lordaeron as theirs. Neutrally seen. Both have a rightful claim.
The living and the undead...
The millions of losses since MOP was announced are at least "in part" due to having crap lined up as the next expansion. The outrage in Blizzcon and people saying they will quit once Cata is over in forums.
Many people hated MOP, including me, from the inception. We still bought it to give a fair assessment. Yet, it fell far short. Now after that we are quitting again, waiting for next Blizzcon.
MOP had one of the WORST launches of any expansion losing subs soon after launch. Already bleeding as content is crap and copy-paste.
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Compare Wrath, you have the Vikings/Norse stuff, you have the Nerubian, you have the Taunka, Titan stuff, LK stuff, even human stuff (AT/Dalaran).
In general, there is too much Chinese inspired content, an overdose if you will, and not enough variety.
The sure indicator of that is when your player base is going, "Again!?".
the 400k loss relates in my opinion to several factors, of which the asian/panda theme has no part of...
1. The reputation gating, which makes the dailies a chore for many, and not a fun activity....
2. The community behavior, which is on a constant decline and makes rather mature and mannered people quit.
3. Blizzards obvious floating helpless by trying to please every minority that's just persistently crying enough... The game has atm no solid direction.
4. The to 3 related constant changes and nerfs and buffs... I believe it is safe to say, that the vast majority just wants to play the game.
When one has to constantly use online resources to check whether there are class and spec changes, people get fed up with it. The viewpoint: "I want to play a game, and don't want to have to take a science class on how to play it" is a very valid viewpoint, and does result in sub losses.
1) The majority of expansion "quits" are due to Blizzard's new grinding/dailies system.
2) Actually playing the game and not whining about it doesn't really bring about "Asian overload" syndrome, a lot of the newer storylines have little/nothing to do with Asian-like culture whatsoever (read: Alliance versus Horde). Hell, the last raid of the expansion as announced is not on Pandaria, but is in Orgrimmar.
I don't want to turn this into a Forsaken thread, so I'll simply concede this.Originally Posted by Wildtree
Agreed. The numbers after 5.2's release ought to give us a clearer picture as to the success of MoP.Originally Posted by voidspark
First, don't claim you know why people left during Cataclysm. You are completely wrong about when the subs started to bleed away, anyways. Right after MoP was announced, along with the Annual Pass, and 4.3 came out with transmog and LFR, subs actually stabilized for a quarter. After that, they lost about another 1 million. Cataclysm had already lost 2 million subs before MoP had been announced. Most people actually claim that the final million that were lost was because of the banality of the Dragon Soul raid. It was easily the laziest raid Blizzard had created this side of Trial of the Crusader.Originally Posted by Killidan
After MoP came out, 1 million people came back. Since then, they have lost 400K of that. As voidspark has said, most of the complaints have been leveled at the insane amount of dailies required to gain reputation, not because the expansion has an Asian theme. I very much doubt that the 1 million people that came back all hated the Asian theme, but were going to "give it a chance" anyways. Most people who didn't like the theme just didn't buy the expansion. Your anecdote about your own experience isn't nearly convincing enough.
Professor of History at Dalaran University