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    Quote Originally Posted by dantian View Post
    Actually it's never happened.

    Given that a a vast difference in relative power between two peoples (student/teacher, Boss/employee, etc) can be grounds to term sexual conduct as rape, then wouldn't the power relationship between G-d and Man also be enough of a power differential for that too to be rape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alsompr View Post
    Teasing, misdirection. It's the opposite of a spoiler. People expect one thing? BAM! Another thing happens.

    I'm like M. Night fucking Shamylan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutterx2202 View Post
    Lying about someone probably isn't against the ToS, but your lies sure do make you look childish. Please stay on topic, and truthful. I've had enough words stuffed in my mouth already today.
    No, you insulted others by calling them monkeys that fling poo at you. You must have missed my post pointing that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's as much of a "risk" as dying from an infected toe is, today, because you have a religious opposition to antibacterials. You're describing artificial restrictions you're putting on your choices for reasons that are not by any means universal, and trying to claim that everyone must abide by those imagined restrictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The facts are, abortion is a legal and relatively safe alternative. That removes the "risk" of having a child as a result of having sex, in the off chance that birth control fails.
    The risk of having an abortion outside of a clinic, such as when the procedure is illegal, is a much higher risk as well.

    You know how with gun rights, if they are illegal, only criminals will have them. If abortions are illegal, they will become a black market commodity. Where instead of a doctor, a criminal will perform it.

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-25 at 09:56 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by cutterx2202 View Post
    Sure, they can kill it if they're fast enough before it becomes outlawed.
    No, they can still 'kill' it, but by now illegal means. Resulting not only in one 'killing' but tremendously increasing the odds of two 'killings'. The real world does not abide by the principle of 'if it's illegal, it won't happen'.

    The argument of babies and where life begins, assumes that an alternative is no abortions. It's emotional, not logical. It should have no place in this debate and serves only the purpose of muddying the waters by trying to define the beginning of life.
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    Eh, I'll chime in:

    The Republican "brand" is in trouble. Thinking now, what does the label "Republican" mean to you? To a lot of independents and Democrats, words like "nutjob" or "extremely religious" or "Sarah Palin" or "Rush Limbaugh" or "Todd Akins" or "anti women." Meanwhile, to the core group of Republicans, you'll see words like "family values" or "good will" or "intelligent."

    Republicans must get as far away from the social lunatics as they can. They need to publicly declare that Rush Limbaugh is not part of the party, and refuse any donations he tries to give. They need to come out and say "that is not who we are."

    Republicans should be the party of "freedom" - and instead, they've become the party of anti-freedom. Almost every stance they take is against something, which severely diminishes their brand.



    They shouldn't ever mention, discuss, or engage on any of these issues:

    - Rape. Never mention it, period. If you're about to say the word "rape," you probably should shut the fuck up. No possible good can come of it.

    - Abortion. It's been fucking FIFTY YEARS - the debate is over. Don't talk about abortion. This issue is decided, and you will not change it even if elected, so don't talk about it. If someone asks "what's your stance," don't take one. Just say "I'm not going to advocate for or against any abortion related policy."

    - Homosexuality / Gay Marriage. Just don't talk about it. If someone asks "what is your stance on gay marriage?," just say "it's not part of our platform in either direction." If you don't make progress towards gay marriage, fine (Democrats haven't either), but when you come out and actively oppose it, you become the party of "anti-progress."

    - Welfare. No ideas that you have are going to solve welfare in a way that makes people satisfied. Take this on in a final term if you really want, but don't talk about it.

    - The Bible. You can talk about your religion, but when you start going into "The Bible," you're losing the argument.

    - Guns. Don't take a stance. Gun control is a polarizing issue that is unlikely to be effective either way. Redirect any gun-related questions to general violence in the United States. Talk about gangs and education. Don't talk about guns.


    Secondly, Republicans need to fucking catch up to modern marketing and technology. Obama's marketing team was pretty fucking sick. In 2008, it was estimated that every dollar Obama spent had over 10x the impact as Hillary Clinton and John McCain combined. Obama arms his team with obscene amounts of data, and uses that data to be effective in swing states. Republicans, on the other hand, are relying on "traditional" campaign techniques that are just losing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutterx2202 View Post
    While true certain forms of abortion are currently legal, the situation is more like:
    Taking a vial of bacteria, cutting yourself, then pouring it in the wound and then cutting off the limb to save your life. It's a completely self-induced situation. The result of sexual intercourse is a baby. Everyone full-well knows this whenever they participate. The baby becomes the couple's responsibility because they already accepted it can/will/did happen as part of the deed. Sure, they can kill it if they're fast enough before it becomes outlawed.

    ...I lost where I was going with this. I don't think I even read the original point one of you was trying to make. I just had to point out the correct analogy is self-induced.
    You're making this wild assumption that everyone who gets an abortion is a couple that willfully does not use contraception and goes "oops lol" and rushes off to the abortion clinic.

    Contraception fails, rape happens, people make mistakes and regret them later. You're also implying that sex is only for baby making... in which case I'll point you to contraception can fail.

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    1. Drop their opposition to social issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc).
    2. Court the growing minority community by explaining how their policies will improve their lives (other than the Democrat platform of "we'll give you free stuff!")
    3. Run a minority candidate (Rubio, Jindal, et al) that the Democrats can't attack as another out-of-touch old white man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutterx2202 View Post
    While true certain forms of abortion are currently legal, the situation is more like:
    Taking a vial of bacteria, cutting yourself, then pouring it in the wound and then cutting off the limb to save your life. It's a completely self-induced situation.
    I might be able to take this analogy seriously if your arm grew back after cutting it off. It doesn't though. On the other hand if you have an abortion in a clinic the chances that you'll be able to have a child in the future are very high, so you can't really compare the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erenax View Post
    1. Drop their opposition to social issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc).
    2. Court the growing minority community by explaining how their policies will improve their lives (other than the Democrat platform of "we'll give you free stuff!")
    3. Run a minority candidate (Rubio, Jindal, et al) that the Democrats can't attack as another out-of-touch old white man.
    Good luck with that. People love "free stuff", especially if they can take it from others by "voting" it away under a cloak of legitimacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanist View Post
    Good luck with that. People love "free stuff", especially if they can take it from others by "voting" it away under a cloak of legitimacy.
    that must be why the super wealthy pour millions into the campaigns of those who promise tax cuts for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksen View Post
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    Small point: What exactly is wrong with Rush Limbaugh? He's the #1 radio show. How is the most popular a lunatic? What has he said that's crazy?

    Your other points are not bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    There is absolutely nothing about having lots and lots of sex that means you're going to have a kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanist View Post
    Good luck with that. People love "free stuff", especially if they can take it from others by "voting" it away under a cloak of legitimacy.
    What you call a hand out, is also being called the will of the people. The enemy is voting, that's great.
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    ok I'm back to confuse all you pro abortion advocates that feebly defend the right to kill the unborn because your heartless robotic false argument of because a fetus isn't human because it lacks proper brain activity

    I want you to Google Nicholas Coke the baby that was born without a brain just a brain stem he lived to be two years old.

    So according to the justification of the pro abortionist to kill the unborn argument Nicholas Coke was not human he did not meet any of the pro abortion criteria to be human. So i would like to ask why was he given a birth certificate? why was he allowed to receive Medicaid? why was he allowed to be filed as a dependent on his parents tax return? when have you ever herd a non human being allowed to do any of that ?

    And if it is true he wasn't human could the mother have killed him anytime after his birth and not get charged with murder

    So have fun explaining Nicholas Coke away I'm waiting for some of you to argue he wasn't human and didn't deserve any rights as a human do you really want to show how morbid cruel and heartless you are just to keep justifying abortion
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutterx2202 View Post
    Small point: What exactly is wrong with Rush Limbaugh? He's the #1 radio show. How is the most popular a lunatic? What has he said that's crazy?
    Have you forgotten the Sandra Fluke slut-shaming issue, where he called her a slut and a prostitute on the air, because she supported birth control being covered under health care.

    And the reason she was arguing for that was because a friend of hers had PCOS and birth control pills are the standard treatment to prevent the growth of cysts.

    Just to pick one unconscionable example from dozens of others over his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksen View Post
    Secondly, Republicans need to fucking catch up to modern marketing and technology. Obama's marketing team was pretty fucking sick. In 2008, it was estimated that every dollar Obama spent had over 10x the impact as Hillary Clinton and John McCain combined. Obama arms his team with obscene amounts of data, and uses that data to be effective in swing states. Republicans, on the other hand, are relying on "traditional" campaign techniques that are just losing.
    It's purely anecdotal, but every year the Republican party calls my home telephone (that I never answer) and leaves pre-recorded messages on my answering machine trying to convince me to vote for them. It's a total failure that in 2012 the only media source they tried to contact me on was a land line telephone that I keep because it's cheap ($36? a year) peace of mind for 911 access. I feel like they really need to come into the 21st century, leaving pamphlets on people's door knobs and cold calling them at 7pm on a land line telephone is 1990's campaigning, and it's a total failure.

    My 83 year old grand mother is on facebook/the internet with some proficiency, it's time the government caught up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutterx2202 View Post
    Small point: What exactly is wrong with Rush Limbaugh? He's the #1 radio show. How is the most popular a lunatic? What has he said that's crazy?
    You are arguing both, that the most popular leads away from lunacy, while also arguing that voting is compromised on hand outs? His hand out, is telling you what you want to hear, so his ratings remain high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    You're making this wild assumption that everyone who gets an abortion is a couple that willfully does not use contraception and goes "oops lol" and rushes off to the abortion clinic.

    Contraception fails, rape happens, people make mistakes and regret them later. You're also implying that sex is only for baby making... in which case I'll point you to contraception can fail.
    Please, again, for the last time before I put you on ignore, read what I wrote and not what you think I wrote. I did not assume anything. Contraception can break, yes. Please look at the number of unwanted pregnancies vs the number of times a contraception has failed. It's so small that it's a non-issue.

    I did not imply sex was only for baby making. You implied that. A baby is one result of sex. For future reference, assume I imply nothing. If I make an assumption, I will say it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    There is absolutely nothing about having lots and lots of sex that means you're going to have a kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    ok I'm back to confuse all you pro abortion advocates that feebly defend the right to kill the unborn because your heartless robotic false argument of because a fetus isn't human because it lacks proper brain activity

    I want you to Google Nicholas Coke the baby that was born without a brain just a brain stem he lived to be two years old.

    So according to the justification of the pro abortionist to kill the unborn argument Nicholas Coke was not human he did not meet any of the pro abortion criteria to be human. So i would like to ask why was he given a birth certificate? why was he allowed to receive Medicaid? why was he allowed to be filled as a dependent on his parents tax return? when have you ever herd a non human being allowed to do any of that ?

    And if it is true he wasn't human could the mother have killed him anytime after his birth and not get charged with murder

    So have fun explaining Nicholas Coke away I'm waiting for some of you to argue he wasn't human and didn't deserve any rights as a human do you really want to show how morbid cruel and heartless you are just to keep justifying abortion
    Why did he die?

  18. #1018
    "What do Republicans have to do to become relevant again?"

    They have to use their fucking brains!

    Infracted: Please refrain from being insulting towards people who don't politically agree with you.
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  19. #1019
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    I want you to Google Nicholas Coke the baby that was born without a brain just a brain stem he lived to be two years old.
    I want you to google ways to perform an abortion, without a clinic. Instead of focusing on emotional bull shit, how about we focus on what illegal abortions are.
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    I am of the mind that being socially conservative really won't be that big of a deal. Do I agree with gay marriage? No but does the fact I don't agree with it make it wrong? No. My concern is that people are more focused on social issues and not fiscal ones. Pro choice pro immigration pro gay marriage. It all gets passed. What now? I just can't vote on social issues. Even if I was gay I would still have to lean right because of the fiscal ramifications of going left. My 2 cents.

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