Are you really bringing up the first contact? I mean REALLY? After humans, night elves and orcs came together, night elves gave their immortality to save the humans AND orcs, the orcs repay the gesture by returning to destroy the Night Elf homeland. Worst attempt at justification that existsAnd to your previous statement regarding Ashenvale, the orcs only started to do so after the situation when Nelfs attacked orcs (And its also worth noting that for most the time it was purely the Warsong Clan who lost their shit after Grom's death).
If you knew jackshit about Night Elf lore you'd know that its very much fitting. The Ancient trees in Ashenvale are revered by the Night Elves, it's their land, their trees, their spiritual connection.Before they were hauling it off to Orgrimmar for construction of the city. And the second part of your point is just plain stupid, as is that metaphor.
Once again, first contact means dick, especially since both humans AND orcs were at the receiving end of night elf aggression in defense of their homes. Diplomacy was there from Hyjal onward. Treaty after treaty, trade deals, the works. Orcs abused it over and over again.The orcs had no Idea the Night elves were there to begin with, and had the Nelfs came up in any attempt of diplomacy the orcs would've listened.
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I always love to come into threads like these and see the OP has been banned.
And to the next three points, no I do not judge the Night Elves on first contact, however stupid they may have been, but it does give justification to the Orcs in their war against them. If one faction attacks you, you damn well attack back, that's how things are, and the Orcs can't be blamed for the Night Elves drawing first blood.
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And the blood was drunk after the Orcs had come to the conclusion that it was them drinking that blood or dying against a demi-god. I'd say they are fairly justified in that, but naive nonetheless.
That conflict ended when all three came together to defend Hyjal. The Orcs instigated a fresh conflict in direct violation of a peace treaty.And to the next three points, no I do not judge the Night Elves on first contact, however stupid they may have been, but it does give justification to the Orcs in their war against them.
Orcs can be blamed every bit for the events in WoW.If one faction attacks you, you damn well attack back, that's how things are, and the Orcs can't be blamed for the Night Elves drawing first blood.
Oh my god, did Trassk FINALLY get banned? Thank the friggin' Dark Lady for that.
"Lordaeron belongs to the Forsaken. Always and forever!"
Perfection is so horribly dull, don't you think?
By the way, Varian did not to to the Undercity to conquer it. He went there to kill Putress, who was responsible for Bolvar's death. Even though Varian would have been justified in blaming Thrall for everything that happened, he instead actually goes after the real target. Yes, he attacks Thrall, but it's because Thrall's incompetence allowed those like Putress and Varimathras to do what they did in the Horde unchecked.
Both Thrall and Varian tried to talk her out of it, however she ignored them.
You can blame the start of a War on somebody, but you can't pull off "X is the cause of all the evils of the world" without looking like a biased tool.I agree, we are totally off-topic at this point (and for that I apologize), I was just pointing out how blaming everything on the Orcs is silly, because we can always go back further and blame something or someone else.
Honestly the War started BECAUSE of Twilight's Hammer, Garrosh expanded it greatly, but the Alliance isn't innocent either. Varian just isn't the Warmonger Garrosh is. There's a reason a lot of Alliance players disliked the story of Cataclysm, its because the Horde were the aggressors in basically every zone except the Southern Barrens and Swamp of Sorrows.