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    Ra'Den abilitys?

    I have a question, is it possible to extract Ra'Dens abilitys from the Spell Database.

    When you extract all Spells of the other bosses wouldn't only Ra'Den be left over?

    I think if it was so easy somebody would have done it allready, so why wasn't it done by now?

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    I don't think they are in the files yet, they'll be added last minute, or even hotfix them into the game on 2nd reset.
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    Not sure, maybe blizzard has hid them somehow? Maybe with different labels?

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    There's a toooooooon of uncategorized spells and mob spells in this build. You can't just filter spells by what zone they appear in, so you would have to go through and snip out every ability for every trash, scenario, boss, solo boss, the entire Warlock event, daily mobs, etc to begin to find the abilities. And they likely aren't added yet, considering they would probably have fairly distinctive names and damage amounts that tells you "THIS IS ALGALON 2.0"

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    If it was that easy all the dataminers out there would have done that a long time ago. My guess is that they just aren't in the game files yet since Blizzard will probably only do internal testing on the heroic only boss of the raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Validity View Post
    There's a toooooooon of uncategorized spells and mob spells in this build. You can't just filter spells by what zone they appear in, so you would have to go through and snip out every ability for every trash, scenario, boss, solo boss, the entire Warlock event, daily mobs, etc to begin to find the abilities. And they likely aren't added yet, considering they would probably have fairly distinctive names and damage amounts that tells you "THIS IS ALGALON 2.0"
    And to add onto the already massive pile of confusion we would have no idea what the order, timing or combination of these abilities would look like if they could even be found. By the time you miraculously pieced them all together the real fight would have been beaten with many videos out.

    While it would be cool to see, the massive amount of time and effort is just not worth it.

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    It is possible... and some abilities are already in the gamefiles ;)

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    I remember some kind of fake spells (or unused) of the LK Encounter were datamined during the ICC PTR.

    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=72598 was one of them i think.
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    They may encrypt them so they can't be data mined. That would be one of the best things they can do.
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    http://ptr.wowdb.com/spells?filter-patch=16408

    Go for it! Only 4100 spells to look through and guess what uses them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaud View Post
    http://ptr.wowdb.com/spells?filter-patch=16408

    Go for it! Only 4100 spells to look through and guess what uses them.
    I might just be crazy here, but could they be using the phrases "Celestial Defender" and "The Defender" in place of Ra-den for now, since he's the Algalon of T15?

    The reason I ask is because I found these spells when filtering the "added in 5.2" list and I have no idea which fight they refer to: http://ptr.wowhead.com/spells?filter...rs=1;crv=50100

    Some of those tooltips mention a "Sha Amalgamation" and "Leeching Sha" which unearths these spells when searching for them:
    http://ptr.wowhead.com/spells?filter...rs=1;crv=50100
    http://ptr.wowhead.com/spells?filter...rs=1;crv=50100

    And some more astral themed spells:
    http://ptr.wowhead.com/spells?filter...rs=1;crv=50100

    Would like to know what they refer to if someone knows

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    Edit: Hmm, after searching for "Thunder Forge", it looks more likely to be part of the Wrathion questline: http://ptr.wowhead.com/spells?filter...rs=1;crv=50100
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    It's probably a vehicle, Aelo - taunting all enemies etc is not an ability you'd expect from an enemy NPC =P.

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    Yeah, sounds like a boss monster for the legendary questline or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    I remember some kind of fake spells (or unused) of the LK Encounter were datamined during the ICC PTR.

    http://www.wowhead.com/spell=72598 was one of them i think.
    Except that spell was and is used during the LK encounter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    It's probably a vehicle, Aelo - taunting all enemies etc is not an ability you'd expect from an enemy NPC =P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    It's probably a vehicle, Aelo - taunting all enemies etc is not an ability you'd expect from an enemy NPC =P.
    And if its not?

    The spells look to me like some you and Ra'den + some Celestials he summons vs that Sha + little spawns he summons.

    Taunting small adds is not that unbelivable i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NGO View Post
    And if its not?

    The spells look to me like some you and Ra'den + some Celestials he summons vs that Sha + little spawns he summons.

    Taunting small adds is not that unbelivable i think.
    If it's not, then what does it matter? No reason to sound so offended.
    It's far more likely that this is a celestial that you use as a vehicle during the fight, than it is a NPC-mob that you fight. Reasons being :

    Astral Endurance
    35 yd range
    Instant
    [COLOR=#FFD100 !important]The celestial defender gains additional power the higher its health percentage is.
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    Why would an enemy become weaker as you get closer to killing it?

    Power Surge
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    [COLOR=#FFD100 !important]The Celestial Defender unleashes a surge of power from the Thunder Forge, exposing an area of pure power. Players who stand in this area are healed and regenerate mana quickly.[/COLOR]
    Helpfull spell.

    Oh, and http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=139730 <--- "summon golden lotus defender". Yea. It's clearly an enemy, being afflicted with the golden lotus and all. It's in no way likely that it'll be on our side... Right?

    Also, there seem to be a spell that's cast when the "sha amalgamation" is alone with the protector, probably preventing the defender from just "soloing" the encounter if every other raid member is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    Oh, and http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=139730 <--- "summon golden lotus defender". Yea. It's clearly an enemy, being afflicted with the golden lotus and all. It's in no way likely that it'll be on our side... Right?
    This spell was found in the researh because of the "Defender" in its name, it has probably nothing to do with the fight where the others spells will appear.

    Also, the idea of NGO seems fair. Either it's a vehicle, or it's a non-enemy NPC.
    It seems that these data are data for Black Prince quests, but let's suppose it's data for Ra-den.
    Who is Ra-den? It's him. What do we know about him? He is a titanic watcher, keeper of the Engine of Nalak'sha. When Lei Shen encountered him, he somehow managed to steal some of his power and claim the Engine of Nalak'sha for himself. It's very likely that he defeated and captured Ra-den, imprisoning him in the Throne of Thunder.

    If we manage to find and free Ra-den after defeating Lei Shen, he may attack us because a long period of captivity can make anyone angry. OR, it can be wounded, weak and need our help to fully recover his power.
    I wouldn't be surprise if Ra-den was a nice NPC during this encounter (or, like Tsulong, an ally for a part of the fight, an enemy for another part.)

    Edit: Also, "celestial defender" looks like a fair name for someone designed by the titans to defend the Engine of Nalak'sha.
    Again, I agree with the fact that these data may only be a part of Black Prince quests. But what if they aren't?
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    The abilities can definitely be found. The issue is tying them to Ra-den. Long ago before the dungeon journal sites like WoWHead were able to datamine abilities and figure out what bosses they went to. The problem is you get no sense of when or how they were used in a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senen View Post
    This spell was found in the researh because of the "Defender" in its name, it has probably nothing to do with the fight where the others spells will appear.

    Also, the idea of NGO seems fair. Either it's a vehicle, or it's a non-enemy NPC.
    It seems that these data are data for Black Prince quests, but let's suppose it's data for Ra-den.
    Who is Ra-den? It's him. What do we know about him? He is a titanic watcher, keeper of the Engine of Nalak'sha. When Lei Shen encountered him, he somehow managed to steal some of his power and claim the Engine of Nalak'sha for himself. It's very likely that he defeated and captured Ra-den, imprisoning him in the Throne of Thunder.

    If we manage to find and free Ra-den after defeating Lei Shen, he may attack us because a long period of captivity can make anyone angry. OR, it can be wounded, weak and need our help to fully recover his power.
    I wouldn't be surprise if Ra-den was a nice NPC during this encounter (or, like Tsulong, an ally for a part of the fight, an enemy for another part.)

    Edit: Also, "celestial defender" looks like a fair name for someone designed by the titans to defend the Engine of Nalak'sha.
    Again, I agree with the fact that these data may only be a part of Black Prince quests. But what if they aren't?
    Ra-Den sound files
    Ok, nevermind what I've said, it does not seem like Ra-Den is willing to be our ally.
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