I can't be the only one thinking that OP makes these threads just to watch people argue about orcs. Orks are better anyway. Put Orks on Azeroth.
I can get glorifying -battle- but it feels like the Orcs all randomly lost their brains in Wotlk.
You are now future Jack Noir.
Presently, you are trapped in a single moment, which increasingly feels like an eternity. Your boredom is surpassed only by your all consuming rage and contempt for existence itself.
He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it.
They really only have them for Lordaeron though. Still it's certainly bigger than Texas.
Actually I think The Last Guardian has some info on air travel times. Gryphons and all that.
This is by far the biggest reason the Orcs today aren't doing so well in the eyes of the other races.
During their rebuilding phase, it seems as though Thrall focused too much on teaching the orcs about their shamanistic culture and too little on teaching them the horrors war inflicts upon your people. The orcs weren't really a warring race... they loved battle, but I don't think that really means too much, since it can be curbed by setting up arenas for duels (a strategy the first horde implemented to minimize the in-fighting they suffered after killing the draenei and prior to the Dark Portal opening up). Right now, that ignorance got them a warmonger for a Warchief, and they're about to get a healthy spoonful of reality come 5.4.
I feel it should be said that when the orcs first came to Ashenvale humans were also there fighting the orcs and the Night Elves, being led by Tyrande, were killing them both until Malfurion showed up and said that they could both be useful allies against the burning legion / scourge. The orcs were free of the curse at the time of their entering Ashenvale and meeting the Night Elves. Grom accepted the blood of Mannoroth into his clan a second time during the orcs migration to Kalimdor. Grom's clan was the only clan that was corrupted at that time and I'm sure we all know about how Grom helps kill Mannoroth. For Malfurion to have just woken up from the Emerald Dream I find it very unlikely for the Night Elves to even be aware that the orcs were ever cursed. Especially what with how the Orcs had never been on Kalimdor before then. So the argument that the Night Elves were defending their homeland from the "Legion's vanguard" is immediately debunked solely based on how the Orcs and Night Elves had never met before now.
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What are you even talking about? The Orcs seem to like harsh environments, they aren't complaining about where Orgrimmar is situated. Durotar isn't even a desert it's just a hot plain or something.
And frankly I don't understand why Outland hasn't crumbled into the void by now.
So this is becoming a new thing then?
Draenei should be exiled to Argus! why? because that's where they bloody well came from so they can go back there!
Forsaken should be "exiled" to the grave, they shouldn't be alive anyway right!?
Orcs should indeed be exiled to Draenor, how dare they attempt to flee a shattered and dead world!
Humans should be exiled to Northrend with their Vrykul Ancestors!
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Unless you can say why Blizzard's writing and storytelling is technically flawed, then it's all just opinion, which means little when discussing the competency of a writer.
Games are terrible for fleshing out specific plotlines or characters compared to novels, mainly because games show things from a third person perspective. Novels allow you to get inside a person's head, see what they're actually thinking, which makes more complex characteristics and themes easier to show.
After watching the cinematic 4/6 from the Orc campaign from WC3 RoC it is my understanding at least that Cenarius only attacks the Orcs after the Peons begin cutting down the trees. He at least doesn't state anything openly about how he believes the orcs are tainted
I knew this would be a Salandrin thread right after seeing its title.
For example, Varian's entire backstory. For example, Me'dan. For example, Broxigar the time travelling Orc who stabbed Sargeras in the foot. Okay so some of these are from the comics, but still.
And sure you can say everything is subjective and then inform me that this crap is up to the standard of the game's background lore. But I'm not going to believe you all the same.
P.S. Games are not terrible for storytelling, they are simply different mediums and they each have their own strengths and weaknesses.
If you don't like the novels, fair enough. I don't defend everything in the novels, and I haven't touched the comics myself which is where Varian's backstory and Med'an come form. (Though I don't have a problem with Varian's backstory for the most part, I just think the who 'split into two' thing was lame and unnecessary. But I find the storytelling of the novels to be, for the most part, superior to the story and character development in game.
That's not to say all the good is in the novels and all the bad is in game. Knaaks novels for example have some character related troubles, but I think Golden's novels are much better. But I point to Thrall as one example. His character is handled much better by Christie Golden than in the Elemental Bonds questline. The novels and short stories actually shed light on Garrosh's psyche and motivations yet the games squander it.
If you don't like the novels, again that's fair, but imo they do a much better job at storytelling than the game. Not necessarily because the in game writers are bad, but because they have an advantage given the medium. I'm looking forward to seeing how the new author handles the Vol'jin novel.