Whats 5.2 DPS Sims Looking Like? Unholy or Frost

[Equalizer]

unholy has way more aoe than 2h frost

Alot of the encounters require burst DPS, this is where frost excels at.

[Deleted]

unholy has way more aoe than 2h frost

If the adds stay alive for more than 10sec, yes. Way more I wouldn't say, but more sure.

[Deleted]

I imported the BiS listed from EJ using strength gems rather than the haste ones that simcraft have built into their BiS profile. Also added the line "actions+=/antimagic_shell,damage=50000" to simulate AMS absorbing 50k damage every minute (give or take a few seconds) and ran a patchwerk fight. Also changed talents to use BT rather than RE.

Ended up with 182765 dps, which isn't THAT bad but still think something's not quite right.

#!./simc 

deathknight="Orcy_Mc_Orcason"
level=90
race=orc
role=attack
position=back
professions=blacksmithing=600/engineering=600
talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#dZ!110002.
spec=frost

actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite
actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp
actions.precombat+=/frost_presence
actions.precombat+=/horn_of_winter
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/army_of_the_dead
actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion
actions.precombat+=/blood_fury
actions.precombat+=/pillar_of_frost
actions.precombat+=/raise_dead

actions=auto_attack
actions+=/pillar_of_frost
actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=target.time_to_die<=30|(target.time_to_die<=60&buff.pillar_of_frost.up)
actions+=/use_item,name=gauntlets_of_the_allconsuming_maw,if=buff.pillar_of_frost.up
actions+=/blood_fury
actions+=/raise_dead
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<1|dot.frost_fever.remains<1)
actions+=/outbreak,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_plague.ticking
actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_plague.ticking)
actions+=/soul_reaper,if=target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=45
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&(target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=45&cooldown.soul_reaper.remains=0)
actions+=/howling_blast,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking
actions+=/plague_strike,if=!dot.blood_plague.ticking
actions+=/howling_blast,if=buff.rime.react
actions+=/obliterate,if=buff.killing_machine.react
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.killing_machine.react
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>76
actions+=/frost_strike,if=runic_power>76
actions+=/obliterate,if=blood=2|frost=2|unholy=2
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<3|dot.frost_fever.remains<3)
actions+=/outbreak,if=dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3
actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3)
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_empowerment.enabled&frost=0
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack<=10
actions+=/horn_of_winter
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_corruption.enabled&buff.runic_corruption.down
actions+=/obliterate
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon,if=target.time_to_die<=60&(buff.mogu_power_potion.up|buff.golemblood_potion.up)
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>=20
actions+=/frost_strike
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon
actions+=/antimagic_shell,damage=50000

main_hand=uroe_harbinger_of_terror,id=96553,stats=1679str_2639sta_1273crit_875mastery,gems=160str_160str_60str,enchant=rune_of_the_fallen_crusader,reforge=mastery_haste,weapon=axe2h_3.6speed_18506min_27761max
back=yellow_dawn_lightningcloak,id=95017,stats=1307armor_957str_1555sta_634crit_661haste,gems=80str_160haste_60haste,enchant=180crit
trinket2=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,stats=1657crit,reforge=crit_haste
trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398,stats=1657haste
finger2=band_of_the_scaled_tyrant,id=96500,stats=900str_1471sta_542hit_646haste,gems=160str_60haste,reforge=hit_crit
finger1=radens_ruinous_ring,id=95022,stats=957str_1555sta_754haste_493exp,gems=80str_160hit_60str
hands=gauntlets_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96570,stats=3884armor_1227str_1960sta_887hit_732crit,gems=160str_160str_60str,enchant=170str,reforge=hit_haste,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii
wrists=bracers_of_constant_implosion,id=96375,stats=2719armor_900str_1471sta_969exp,gems=80str_160haste_160str_60str,enchant=180str
feet=tidal_force_treads,id=96542,stats=4273armor_1227str_1960sta_922crit_671haste,gems=160str_60crit,enchant=140mastery
legs=greaves_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96572,stats=5438armor_1599str_2639sta_1154crit_961mastery,gems=80str_160haste_80str_160hit_120str,enchant=285str_165crit,reforge=mastery_haste
waist=cloudbreaker_greatbelt,id=96373,stats=3496armor_1147str_1960sta_769haste_804mastery,gems=160str_80str_160haste_160str_120crit,reforge=mastery_crit
chest=carapace_of_the_core,id=95038,stats=6322armor_1620str_2790sta_1157crit_1059haste,gems=160str_160str_160str_180str,enchant=80all
shoulders=pauldrons_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96573,stats=4661armor_1147str_1960sta_684exp_855mastery,gems=160str_80str_160haste_120crit,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=mastery_haste
neck=amulet_of_the_primal_turtle,id=96429,stats=900str_1471sta_457hit_705crit,gems=80str_160hit_60crit,reforge=crit_haste
head=helmet_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96571,stats=5050armor_1519str_2639sta_1110hit_983haste,gems=capacitive_primal_80str_160haste_180crit,reforge=hit_crit

[Sliippy]

I'm still playing Unholy and still happy with it. But I do think 8k haste is a bit much so I'm gonna start switching out a few gems here and there for str.

[Curanhadin]

Ive played unholy since the start of wrath ive just always loved the style of it. For me at no point has frost been more then maybe a percent higher then me. With equal gear Ive matched or beat every frost dk ive ever raided with. With the current buffs of 5.2 frost still jumps ahead for maybe the first few seconds on trash and maybe 20 seconds on a boss from there initial burst but after that i pass them and keep climbing.

[Rayaleith]

Getting rid of the old tier for the new should be a priority if you are unholy.

What about DW frost? Is T15 2set strong enough to break T14 4set?

[Deleted]

Ive played unholy since the start of wrath ive just always loved the style of it. For me at no point has frost been more then maybe a percent higher then me. With equal gear Ive matched or beat every frost dk ive ever raided with. With the current buffs of 5.2 frost still jumps ahead for maybe the first few seconds on trash and maybe 20 seconds on a boss from there initial burst but after that i pass them and keep climbing.

Then your frost dks are far worse than you. Doesn't make the spec better though.

What about DW frost? Is T15 2set strong enough to break T14 4set?

Yes it is. Not because of the bonuses but because of the higher stats, even if you upgraded the T14 items.

[Deleted]

What about DW frost? Is T15 2set strong enough to break T14 4set?

Even if you have 2/2 t14, it's still a gain to swap 4p t14 for t15, only coz of the base stats you gain.

[Revenantparadigm]

The first seven days of data for 25N are in on Raidbots.

For top 100 parses Frost is a head of Unholy by 2%.
For all parses Unholy is ahead of Frost by 5%.

Draw your own conclusions.

[Deleted]

Somethings not right ... It says 139k overall dps, higher than any other specc but if you look at individual encounters UH is for the most part at the bottom half ... How could they possibly be #1 overall dps?

[SSHA778]

Somethings not right ... It says 139k overall dps, higher than any other specc but if you look at individual encounters UH is for the most part at the bottom half ... How could they possibly be #1 overall dps?

Because you're looking at a 14 day moving median when your actual window length is only 7 days.

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...l/7/7/default/

[Deleted]

I'm sceptical of the simcraft results but, if we are scaling badly by next tier how will it get fixed by the next expansion?

Haste
Haste could effect disease tick speed or ghoul attack speed?

Mastery
Frost fever removed for unholy and blood plague removed for Frost? (Making mastery more attractive) Blood could have a different disease? o.O
Obliterate with a frost damage element if target afflicted by frost fever? Ghoul having a shadow damage element?

Crit
KM and Sudden Doom changed to "chance on auto attack crit" possibly?

Am likely just getting ahead of myself -.-

[Gabbynator]

time to roll unholy because frost is stupid with 2h single target and 1h for aoe.

[Rumblecrush]

Pet specs suck balls so frost forever as long as it's viable

[Shiira]

Haste could effect disease tick speed or ghoul attack speed?

Haste already increases ghoul attack speed and energy generation.

Haste scaling on melee dots is something I'd really like blizzard to take another look at though.

[Deleted]

Haste already increases ghoul attack speed and energy generation

shows how much I play unholy