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  1. #161
    unholy has way more aoe than 2h frost

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Hafizah View Post
    unholy has way more aoe than 2h frost
    Alot of the encounters require burst DPS, this is where frost excels at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hafizah View Post
    unholy has way more aoe than 2h frost
    If the adds stay alive for more than 10sec, yes. Way more I wouldn't say, but more sure.

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    I imported the BiS listed from EJ using strength gems rather than the haste ones that simcraft have built into their BiS profile. Also added the line "actions+=/antimagic_shell,damage=50000" to simulate AMS absorbing 50k damage every minute (give or take a few seconds) and ran a patchwerk fight. Also changed talents to use BT rather than RE.

    Ended up with 182765 dps, which isn't THAT bad but still think something's not quite right.

    Code:
    #!./simc 
    
    deathknight="Orcy_Mc_Orcason"
    level=90
    race=orc
    role=attack
    position=back
    professions=blacksmithing=600/engineering=600
    talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#dZ!110002.
    spec=frost
    
    actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite
    actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp
    actions.precombat+=/frost_presence
    actions.precombat+=/horn_of_winter
    actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
    actions.precombat+=/army_of_the_dead
    actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion
    actions.precombat+=/blood_fury
    actions.precombat+=/pillar_of_frost
    actions.precombat+=/raise_dead
    
    actions=auto_attack
    actions+=/pillar_of_frost
    actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=target.time_to_die<=30|(target.time_to_die<=60&buff.pillar_of_frost.up)
    actions+=/use_item,name=gauntlets_of_the_allconsuming_maw,if=buff.pillar_of_frost.up
    actions+=/blood_fury
    actions+=/raise_dead
    actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<1|dot.frost_fever.remains<1)
    actions+=/outbreak,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_plague.ticking
    actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_plague.ticking)
    actions+=/soul_reaper,if=target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=45
    actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&(target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=45&cooldown.soul_reaper.remains=0)
    actions+=/howling_blast,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking
    actions+=/plague_strike,if=!dot.blood_plague.ticking
    actions+=/howling_blast,if=buff.rime.react
    actions+=/obliterate,if=buff.killing_machine.react
    actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.killing_machine.react
    actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>76
    actions+=/frost_strike,if=runic_power>76
    actions+=/obliterate,if=blood=2|frost=2|unholy=2
    actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<3|dot.frost_fever.remains<3)
    actions+=/outbreak,if=dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3
    actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3)
    actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_empowerment.enabled&frost=0
    actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack<=10
    actions+=/horn_of_winter
    actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_corruption.enabled&buff.runic_corruption.down
    actions+=/obliterate
    actions+=/empower_rune_weapon,if=target.time_to_die<=60&(buff.mogu_power_potion.up|buff.golemblood_potion.up)
    actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>=20
    actions+=/frost_strike
    actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled
    actions+=/empower_rune_weapon
    actions+=/antimagic_shell,damage=50000
    
    main_hand=uroe_harbinger_of_terror,id=96553,stats=1679str_2639sta_1273crit_875mastery,gems=160str_160str_60str,enchant=rune_of_the_fallen_crusader,reforge=mastery_haste,weapon=axe2h_3.6speed_18506min_27761max
    back=yellow_dawn_lightningcloak,id=95017,stats=1307armor_957str_1555sta_634crit_661haste,gems=80str_160haste_60haste,enchant=180crit
    trinket2=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,stats=1657crit,reforge=crit_haste
    trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398,stats=1657haste
    finger2=band_of_the_scaled_tyrant,id=96500,stats=900str_1471sta_542hit_646haste,gems=160str_60haste,reforge=hit_crit
    finger1=radens_ruinous_ring,id=95022,stats=957str_1555sta_754haste_493exp,gems=80str_160hit_60str
    hands=gauntlets_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96570,stats=3884armor_1227str_1960sta_887hit_732crit,gems=160str_160str_60str,enchant=170str,reforge=hit_haste,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii
    wrists=bracers_of_constant_implosion,id=96375,stats=2719armor_900str_1471sta_969exp,gems=80str_160haste_160str_60str,enchant=180str
    feet=tidal_force_treads,id=96542,stats=4273armor_1227str_1960sta_922crit_671haste,gems=160str_60crit,enchant=140mastery
    legs=greaves_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96572,stats=5438armor_1599str_2639sta_1154crit_961mastery,gems=80str_160haste_80str_160hit_120str,enchant=285str_165crit,reforge=mastery_haste
    waist=cloudbreaker_greatbelt,id=96373,stats=3496armor_1147str_1960sta_769haste_804mastery,gems=160str_80str_160haste_160str_120crit,reforge=mastery_crit
    chest=carapace_of_the_core,id=95038,stats=6322armor_1620str_2790sta_1157crit_1059haste,gems=160str_160str_160str_180str,enchant=80all
    shoulders=pauldrons_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96573,stats=4661armor_1147str_1960sta_684exp_855mastery,gems=160str_80str_160haste_120crit,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=mastery_haste
    neck=amulet_of_the_primal_turtle,id=96429,stats=900str_1471sta_457hit_705crit,gems=80str_160hit_60crit,reforge=crit_haste
    head=helmet_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96571,stats=5050armor_1519str_2639sta_1110hit_983haste,gems=capacitive_primal_80str_160haste_180crit,reforge=hit_crit
    Last edited by vmagik; 2013-03-12 at 03:57 AM.
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    I'm still playing Unholy and still happy with it. But I do think 8k haste is a bit much so I'm gonna start switching out a few gems here and there for str.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...iippy/advanced
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  6. #166
    Ive played unholy since the start of wrath ive just always loved the style of it. For me at no point has frost been more then maybe a percent higher then me. With equal gear Ive matched or beat every frost dk ive ever raided with. With the current buffs of 5.2 frost still jumps ahead for maybe the first few seconds on trash and maybe 20 seconds on a boss from there initial burst but after that i pass them and keep climbing.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Laroux View Post
    Getting rid of the old tier for the new should be a priority if you are unholy.
    What about DW frost? Is T15 2set strong enough to break T14 4set?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curanhadin View Post
    Ive played unholy since the start of wrath ive just always loved the style of it. For me at no point has frost been more then maybe a percent higher then me. With equal gear Ive matched or beat every frost dk ive ever raided with. With the current buffs of 5.2 frost still jumps ahead for maybe the first few seconds on trash and maybe 20 seconds on a boss from there initial burst but after that i pass them and keep climbing.
    Then your frost dks are far worse than you. Doesn't make the spec better though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rayaleith View Post
    What about DW frost? Is T15 2set strong enough to break T14 4set?
    Yes it is. Not because of the bonuses but because of the higher stats, even if you upgraded the T14 items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayaleith View Post
    What about DW frost? Is T15 2set strong enough to break T14 4set?
    Even if you have 2/2 t14, it's still a gain to swap 4p t14 for t15, only coz of the base stats you gain.

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  10. #170
    The first seven days of data for 25N are in on Raidbots.

    For top 100 parses Frost is a head of Unholy by 2%.
    For all parses Unholy is ahead of Frost by 5%.

    Draw your own conclusions.

  11. #171
    Somethings not right ... It says 139k overall dps, higher than any other specc but if you look at individual encounters UH is for the most part at the bottom half ... How could they possibly be #1 overall dps?
    Last edited by schleimhaut; 2013-03-12 at 11:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schleimhaut View Post
    Somethings not right ... It says 139k overall dps, higher than any other specc but if you look at individual encounters UH is for the most part at the bottom half ... How could they possibly be #1 overall dps?
    Because you're looking at a 14 day moving median when your actual window length is only 7 days.

    http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...l/7/7/default/
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    I'm sceptical of the simcraft results but, if we are scaling badly by next tier how will it get fixed by the next expansion?

    Haste
    Haste could effect disease tick speed or ghoul attack speed?

    Mastery
    Frost fever removed for unholy and blood plague removed for Frost? (Making mastery more attractive) Blood could have a different disease? o.O
    Obliterate with a frost damage element if target afflicted by frost fever? Ghoul having a shadow damage element?

    Crit
    KM and Sudden Doom changed to "chance on auto attack crit" possibly?

    Am likely just getting ahead of myself -.-
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  14. #174
    time to roll unholy because frost is stupid with 2h single target and 1h for aoe.

  15. #175
    Pet specs suck balls so frost forever as long as it's viable

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmagik View Post
    Haste could effect disease tick speed or ghoul attack speed?
    Haste already increases ghoul attack speed and energy generation.

    Haste scaling on melee dots is something I'd really like blizzard to take another look at though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiira View Post
    Haste already increases ghoul attack speed and energy generation
    shows how much I play unholy
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