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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
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             Life              Good Life             Bad Video Game           Good Video Game
    you do your job         you do your job            you play it               you play it
    you hate your job       you enjoy your job      it feels like a job           you enjoy it
    you get paycheck        you get paycheck        you get reward               you get reward
    you die unhappy           you die happy             you quit it         you throw money at the monitor
    I love my job, and the career im going for I shall love any more.

    Also, in your video game logic, I could agree, because that pretty much describes Vanilla, which I hated, and "Good video game" describes the welfare epics and everyone getting gear without work required, which as you can see, people complained about way more than people complain about the current "work" required to get gear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Klog View Post
    I noticed that they are finally acknowledging that dailies are too forced.

    "Mists of Pandaria set out to provide lots of things for you to do, but daily quests ended up feeling more mandatory than they wanted. The Patch 5.2 daily quests feel less mandatory."

    Off main page.

    It's sad and frustrating though because it took months of people bitching and complaining and they just defended it by saying 'you don't have to do dailies'. Yes you did because it's the only way to spend the damn JP/VP. Unreal. They didn't lose me personally, but I know a lot of players just in my guild/on my server who quit over the bullshit reputation grinds.
    I stopped having faith in blizzard after wrath, cata was horrible. I stopped raiding after it took me so long to get honored with golden lotus, I even stopped doing lfr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
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             Life              Good Life             Bad Video Game           Good Video Game
    you do your job         you do your job            you play it               you play it
    you hate your job       you enjoy your job      it feels like a job           you enjoy it
    you get paycheck        you get paycheck        you get reward               you get reward
    you die unhappy           you die happy             you quit it         you throw money at the monitor
    Let's see...........I don't do dailies, I raid, I get my gear, I throw money at Blizzard, honestly the biggest thing making me consider quitting after 8 years of playing is the players, between the racists and homophobes and the people who want everything handed to them it's becoming almost intolerable.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Sad they "acknowledge" this because it isn't true. They aren't mandatory at all. You don't need to spend the VP or JP and there are ways to unlocking some factions rep item without doing dailies.
    Dailies were pretty mandatory. Want to gear up without relying solely on RNG in LFR? Rep gear. Want to spend your VP? Rep gear. Want to progress with the Black Prince? Yup, done via the DO dailies. (You could just grind it out but...why?)

    The fact is that once you hit 90 you really only have dailies, farming mats, and LFD/LFR. Even Blizzard admitted that a large part of end-game content was designed to be dailies. To say dailies weren't mandatory is like saying "well you can just stop playing once you hit 90."

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    I think the argument whether the quest were actually mandatory or not is irrelevant.

    The point is in the original post, they are taking action because alot of players "felt" like they were mandatory. Blizz is just trying to please as many people as possible, and whether you agree with any change on it or not, the ammount of players complaining about it obviously influenced their decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectrefax View Post
    because the gear bottleneck must be an obvious eyesore from their overall player participation data.
    Especially outside of LFR. I'd wager the participation difference was massive between the two, if only because of that problem.
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  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    And in order to get the super epic shoulder enchants I need to do inscription, should I cry about that until they make it so everyone can get it? To get certain things in a game you need to do certain things, stop asking for hand outs and either get what you WANT or don't.........it's not mandatory that you have them, you can still make money on the AH with enchants that are not behind rep.
    Don't conflate my comments. They were in direct response to someone who was talking about getting enchants done, as opposed to getting the actual enchanting patterns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    Let's see...........I don't do dailies, I raid, I get my gear, I throw money at Blizzard, honestly the biggest thing making me consider quitting after 8 years of playing is the players, between the racists and homophobes and the people who want everything handed to them it's becoming almost intolerable.
    The only people claiming people want handouts are you and that other guy, despite the fact that nobody in this thread is asking for handouts. On top of which, doing rep grinds is, in fact, working for their gear. I realize that some people have an issue with the fact that people can get gear from sources other than dungeons and raids but they can get over themselves.
    Stating an opinion as fact does not make it fact. Opinions are not fact. So don't be stupid and make a fool of yourself by trying to pass off your opinion as fact.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by notorious98 View Post
    Does Molten Front have top of the line, relevant to level 90 tailoring patterns?

    Why yes, it does. The patterns for the largest gem, inscription, and mining bags currently in the game require Molten Front unlock. I guess that means Molten Front is required for all leatherworkers and tailors in your definition, right?

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    LOLOLOLOLOLOL so good. So fucking good. Oh that's so rich. Feels warm like a hot cocoa on a snow day or your first shot of bourbon. This calls for some steelie dan and a victory drink.

    Now of course the apologists will simple move their positions to agree with Blizzard instead of being mad and fired up as hell that Blizzard abandoned it's vision about dailies. Quick question do the dailies still have gear? Or what's going on with them? They said it feels less mandatory. Does it actually or is that just horse shit? I wanted to resub and the patch comes out soon I think.
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  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by notorious98 View Post
    Amazing how people get so defensive about this that they'll go so far as to break out dictionary definitions instead of understanding that everything doesn't have to be so literal. In this case, it's 100% true. If that's the case, nothing is mandatory except paying your subscription to play, right? Stupidest excuse I've seen in a long time.

    My profession becomes gimped if I don't have these patterns. In order for my profession to NOT be gimped, it becomes mandatory for me to do dailies in order to get the best enchanting patterns. Otherwise, my profession becomes useless and I may as well not have it. So, in summation, in order for enchanting to be the most useful, dailies are mandatory.
    So I guess in your view Cata made it mandatory for you to spend massive amounts of gold on the AH to buy the wrist enchant recipes, right? You do remember where wrist enchants in Cata came from, don't you?

  11. #191
    Look first Blizzard hasn't really said that dailys are mandatory...

    They said ''players felt like if dailys are mandatory'' thats a huge difference.

    Blizzard always said that you don't have to do dailys the only difference is that those that do will get gear faster then those that don't. I've been doing dailys and and most of the gear I've gotten is from the bonus rolls (lfr and normal modes), but on the other hand I also have a alt which I don't do dailys with and I've noticed that it takes longer to gear her up.

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Look first Blizzard hasn't really said that dailys are mandatory...

    They said ''players felt like if dailys are mandatory'' thats a huge difference.

    Blizzard always said that you don't have to do dailys the only difference is that those that do will get gear faster then those that don't. I've been doing dailys and and most of the gear I've gotten is from the bonus rolls (lfr and normal modes), but on the other hand I also have a alt which I don't do dailys with and I've noticed that it takes longer to gear her up.
    They say it feels that way because it really does feel that way because guess what IT REALLY IS. Or you adopt the position that nothing in this game is mandatory. Showing up with gems or enchants, not mandatory. Showing up to raid at all not mandatory. Pvp not mandatory. Logging in not mandatory. Paying a sub not mandatory. Nothing about this fucking game is mandatory when you think about it. Doesn't mean dailies weren't poor design.

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    They say it feels that way because it really does feel that way because guess what IT REALLY IS. Or you adopt the position that nothing in this game is mandatory. Showing up with gems or enchants, not mandatory. Showing up to raid at all not mandatory. Pvp not mandatory. Logging in not mandatory. Paying a sub not mandatory. Nothing about this fucking game is mandatory when you think about it. Doesn't mean dailies weren't poor design.
    Dailies in MoP were significantly better designed than the dailies in WotLK. People didn't really complain back then....

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    Dailies in MoP were significantly better designed than the dailies in WotLK.
    Lol what you mean to say is that they had significantly better reward. The design is more or less the same minus the cap. In other words they were designed to feel compelling, so compelling that they became mandatory.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    Lol what you mean to say is that they had significantly better reward. The design is more or less the same minus the cap. In other words they were designed to feel compelling, so compelling that they became mandatory.
    Except that you get gear at Honored in MoP. So it is significantly faster to get a good chunk of the gear.

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    I play in a 10man progress oriented guild. We are not hardcore but we are more than 10 players and if I dont do more or at least as much as the other players then I wont get picked for progress raids. Especially in the beginning "doing as much as you can" meant grinding rep like theres no tomorrow because it was easily accessible while it gave fairly high rewards in comparison and most importantly you could plan ahead and you knew exactly when you will get a certain item. So yeah, in my opinion dailies were absolutely mandatory and even worse there were too many of them. G-Lotus and its 12-15 quests that only give like 100 rep per quest and you need those to even unlock other factions? are you kidding me? they were the most mandatory faction they could come up with.

    blizz promised to make it less mandatory but honestly at this point we are so immune to this, they might aswell do the same thing now.
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  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    Except that you get gear at Honored in MoP. So it is significantly faster to get a good chunk of the gear.
    You get a piece per faction which you may already have better or may not need as your first piece and which you still need valor for anyway. In other words you get squat but since it's the only way or was the only way to spend valor guess what your doing? Dat carrot on a stick boy sure makes those dailies much better design doesn't it.

    At least we can acknowledge their forced now though. Glad we got past that.

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    You get a piece per faction which you may already have better or may not need as your first piece and which you still need valor for anyway. In other words you get squat but since it's the only way or was the only way to spend valor guess what your doing? Dat carrot on a stick boy sure makes those dailies much better design doesn't it.
    What do you mean? If you already have gear better than the rep gear, why are you doing dailies at all?

    And you can spend valor upgrading your raid gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    What do you mean? If you already have gear better than the rep gear, why are you doing dailies at all?
    No I may have that ONE PIECE better but that doesn't mean I have EVERY PIECE better. The selection at honored is limited to whatever pieces are available at honored instead of having the smorgasbord available to pick and chose from. DAT DAILY DESIGN!

  20. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    Lol what you mean to say is that they had significantly better reward. The design is more or less the same minus the cap. In other words they were designed to feel compelling, so compelling that they became mandatory.
    Leonard you read what you want to read. They are better designed because now if you do a daily quest hub you get a variation of things to do from day to day instead of doing the same daily every day. For example in Cata for wildhammers you had to collect food, kill 8 orcs, kill the orc boss, drink from 8 beer kegs and escourt the beer deliver EVERY DAY.

    Now if you do august celestials you get 5 of 10 quests from White tiger, 5 of 10 quests from Ninzao Temple, Red Crane has the same 3 starter quests and a new guy to fight, and green dragon has 5 of 10 quests. If you do Shado Pan you have at least 3 places you can go to do 5 quests which vary between 6-7 quests. So every day there is a mix of dailies and if you don't like one you can wait til the next day to do it.

    You know for a guy with an avatar that basically says, "Stop complaining and take it like a man" you sure do complain a lot.

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