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  1. #201
    They still are. I still have to do 45 dailies a week per character for elder charms. Its pretty annoying.

  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    No I may have that ONE PIECE better but that doesn't mean I have EVERY PIECE better. The selection at honored is limited to whatever pieces are available at honored instead of having the smorgasbord available to pick and chose from. DAT DAILY DESIGN!
    Well, if you only gear via dailies, then I guess you are right. Since I do most my gearing from raiding, I never really had that issue. /shrug.

    I can see the issue for people who don't raid though.

  3. #203
    I didn't bother with dailies on any of my alts until the shieldwall ones were released. I just did quick 2s caps each week, half an hour of work each week for a 483 item that is almost as good as something I would have to spend hours and hours grinding VP and rep for.

  4. #204
    People stop bitching already. The quote in the OP speaks for itself. Get over it. OMG, the greifers on MMO-C were right about something! Quick, somebody refute them in the face of Blizzard's own admission before our worldview crumbles!!!

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Leonard you read what you want to read. They are better designed because now if you do a daily quest hub you get a variation of things to do from day to day instead of doing the same daily every day. For example in Cata for wildhammers you had to collect food, kill 8 orcs, kill the orc boss, drink from 8 beer kegs and escourt the beer deliver EVERY DAY.

    Now if you do august celestials you get 5 of 10 quests from White tiger, 5 of 10 quests from Ninzao Temple, Red Crane has the same 3 starter quests and a new guy to fight, and green dragon has 5 of 10 quests. If you do Shado Pan you have at least 3 places you can go to do 5 quests which vary between 6-7 quests. So every day there is a mix of dailies and if you don't like one you can wait til the next day to do it.

    You know for a guy with an avatar that basically says, "Stop complaining and take it like a man" you sure do complain a lot.
    I would suggest that complaining about complaining is the definition of not taking it like a man but that's okay it would probably fly over your head anyway. The only thing "better" about the daily design is the reward behind them otherwise I would make a wager that the vast majority of you people wouldn't touch them. At their core they remain the same, a quest you do once a day for a reward. The quest mechanics themselves really haven't changed although they do offer more variety in terms of places you can go. It's a mix of doing the same crap. The better design aspect comes from having better reward. You can live in denial all you want but that's really what it is. In fact theirs a blue tweet where Ghostcrawler acknowledged the new daily design beginning with Molten Front. The same molten front that offered you pretty good gear. Molten front I could easily ignore though. Valor wasn't tied to it. GUESS WHAT CHANGED IN THE DAILY DESIGN?

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
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    you do your job         you do your job            you play it               you play it
    you hate your job       you enjoy your job      it feels like a job           you enjoy it
    you get paycheck        you get paycheck        you get reward               you get reward
    you die unhappy           you die happy             you quit it         you throw money at the monitor
    This is genius and I thank you for having made my not all-together bad life a little better. Now to read the OP.

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    Well, if you only gear via dailies, then I guess you are right. Since I do most my gearing from raiding, I never really had that issue. /shrug.

    I can see the issue for people who don't raid though.
    Actually it's the same thing for people who raid. I got a belt from boss A and it's better than what's affored to me from honored at the daily faction I've been working on. Well shit now I don't need that belt, guess I have to farm to revered. The better design would be to allow you to pick any reward you want at any level and each level you just get a new reward. That way you can really plan shit out. Take the "requirement" out of the process and just make the faction level a reward in and of itself. You hit honored you get one piece your pick. You hit revered you get one piece your pick. You hit exalted same thing. That's real choice. In an expansion about choice.

  8. #208
    yeah dailies should provide story and fluffy stuff like tabards/transmog/mounts/pets thats why most people like doing dailies for reputations not fcking epics
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  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    Actually it's the same thing for people who raid. I got a belt from boss A and it's better than what's affored to me from honored at the daily faction I've been working on. Well shit now I don't need that belt, guess I have to farm to revered. The better design would be to allow you to pick any reward you want at any level and each level you just get a new reward. That way you can really plan shit out. Take the "requirement" out of the process and just make the faction level a reward in and of itself. You hit honored you get one piece your pick. You hit revered you get one piece your pick. You hit exalted same thing. That's real choice. In an expansion about choice.
    That is a helluva good idea. Got my vote

  10. #210
    I'm honestly surprised they haven't brought back rep tabards for the whining babies yet.

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    That is a helluva good idea. Got my vote
    Thanks. I'm sure someone will steal it and tell Blizzard and then I'll get no due credit.

  12. #212
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom51 View Post
    They still are. I still have to do 45 dailies a week per character for elder charms. Its pretty annoying.
    Well, if you want a chance at bonus loot, you would be required to do something. Otherwise they'd just have it so you have a bonus chance on any boss of your choice that's only useable once a week. In which case I do see something like that happening at the end of this expansion as they go towards a new system for the next expansion.


  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon View Post
    It's sad. Being too lazy to get VP gear doesn't stop you from progressing. I managed to get almost 480ilvl for next patch without rep gear on my alt.

    I'm honestly surprised they haven't brought back rep tabards for the whining babies yet.
    Tabards would be the sane and rational thing to do but I guess us "crying babies" haven't cried enough. Maybe If i crap my pants I can do it.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    LOLOLOLOLOLOL so good. So fucking good. Oh that's so rich. Feels warm like a hot cocoa on a snow day or your first shot of bourbon. This calls for some steelie dan and a victory drink.

    Now of course the apologists will simple move their positions to agree with Blizzard instead of being mad and fired up as hell that Blizzard abandoned it's vision about dailies. Quick question do the dailies still have gear? Or what's going on with them? They said it feels less mandatory. Does it actually or is that just horse shit? I wanted to resub and the patch comes out soon I think.
    Dailies are essentially back to worthless in 5.2 but they've just moved the second gate to LFR, which if they really parcel out every "couple" weeks will mean people may very well run out of valor gear worth buying before they open the new items at the next level of faction.

    Not to mention that it's random whether you will actually need the items in the order they open, which of course, everyone won't.

  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    Tabards would be the sane and rational thing to do but I guess us "crying babies" haven't cried enough. Maybe If i crap my pants I can do it.
    You've pretty much shown you've crapped your pants already from all the whining.
    Rep tabards are not a good way to go. Having multiple ways of getting rep is a good design, which Blizzard are now doing for 5.2. Such as the farm work orders, or the rep items that rares drop in 5.2.

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by spectrefax View Post
    Really sick of seeing this argument. The fact is, if you don't do dailies to unlock valor gear, you get gear locked and your character progression comes to a grinding halt.

    Let's take dungeons for example. The highest ilvl you can obtain off dungeons is 463. Then, you're left to grind LFR MSV for *months* (unless the rng gods just lay a golden brick on you) to reach 470 to queue for the remaining LFR raids.

    So, as a result, you're looking at grinding for PvP gear and/or spending 20-35k (sever prices may vary) for BoE pieces to fill in the slots you need as just acquiring the Sha boots and Klaxxi neck aren't going to cut it.

    Blizzard acknowledged this because the gear bottleneck must be an obvious eyesore from their overall player participation data.
    It's only a problem for people that don't do real raids with a real raiding guild. In which case, character progression isn't nearly as important as some thing it to be.
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  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by hyphnos View Post
    Dailies are essentially back to worthless in 5.2 but they've just moved the second gate to LFR, which if they really parcel out every "couple" weeks will mean people may very well run out of valor gear worth buying before they open the new items at the next level of faction.

    Not to mention that it's random whether you will actually need the items in the order they open, which of course, everyone won't.
    Yea that was a problem with the daily valor items to. They really ought to just give you a reward of your pick every rep level and not limit what you can buy. LIke if theirs a set loot table for that particular faction just let people buy whichever item they want at honored and then no more till revered and then no more till exalted.

    Dailies being worthless is good. I'll have to see how the second gate in lfr works. I guess with the new rep in dungeon faction thign I'll have an excuse to run dungeons again. Maybe it's time to get the band back together.

  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Stede View Post
    People stop bitching already. The quote in the OP speaks for itself. Get over it. OMG, the greifers on MMO-C were right about something! Quick, somebody refute them in the face of Blizzard's own admission before our worldview crumbles!!!
    Yes this is exactly the problem. People are splitting hairs and getting out their dictinaries in a sad attempt to not look foolish.

    For months people reposted Blizzards daily doctrine "it is not mandatory, just don't do them". While people like me predicted that this wont last long, that they will change the system in place. And now they are doing it. You wanna know why I knew that? Because at the end of Cataclysm Blizzard themselves said that dailies aren't that much fun and that doing them took too much time.
    The reason why they still went ahead and made dailies more important than ever in this expansion was because they wanted to slow players down and avoid an early exodus. Question remains if they were successful or if it backfired.

    And now to you trolls and fanboys. You were wrong all along, the new system has flaws and Blizzard admits it. You can go ahead and keep your dictionary open and grasp at definitions. But the fact remains that you lost and you can't deal with it.

    Nothing in this game was ever mandatory. But in the past they always changed systems because they felt that they were too rewarding and it pushed players into one direction. In wotlk it was tabards and I never heard anyone cry about them (especially since there were enough dailies out there). And this and they fully well knew it would backfire.

  19. #219
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    Actually it's the same thing for people who raid. I got a belt from boss A and it's better than what's affored to me from honored at the daily faction I've been working on. Well shit now I don't need that belt, guess I have to farm to revered. The better design would be to allow you to pick any reward you want at any level and each level you just get a new reward. That way you can really plan shit out. Take the "requirement" out of the process and just make the faction level a reward in and of itself. You hit honored you get one piece your pick. You hit revered you get one piece your pick. You hit exalted same thing. That's real choice. In an expansion about choice.
    When time is a factor, it just turns into a silly idea. Hitting exalted to get that super-high ilvl item like a ring or something is something you should grind for, certain reps give certain items. The real choice is deciding on which rep you would want to do, as it's always has been. If these items were purchased with gold, there would be little to no complaints, but the fact that we waste VP on them, they just blow it way out of proportion. Be smart, choose what to use your VP on.


  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    You've pretty much shown you've crapped your pants already from all the whining.
    Rep tabards are not a good way to go. Having multiple ways of getting rep is a good design, which Blizzard are now doing for 5.2. Such as the farm work orders, or the rep items that rares drop in 5.2.
    Rep tabards are an excellent way to go if you accept the idea that going slow is stupid. Actually I'm all for multiple ways of rep. Including tabards. I don't see why tabards have to preclude other ways of getting rep. If you like going slow and doing shitty dailies do them. I wouldn't deny you the crappy experience of daily quests, why do you feel it's necessary to deny me tabards?

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