this is blizzard tactic my friend every new xpack they change what worked for year only to slowly revert back during the xpack,
they introduced heirloom and slowly rend them useless in the current levelling only to put now the upgrader in 5.2,
they introduced the tabard and changed it back only to put the stupid commendation back in 5.1 and now the farm order and the daily dungeon/scenario rep awards, they changed the option to do the 7 dungeon in a single day,
they changed the loot in lfr so we don't need to deal with douces but now we are completely bound to a system tuned to keep us doing a raid each weak only for gold and for the rare loot.
they change thing that work well just for the sake of changing not for improving them
The problem is that they balked at getting rid of valor gear entirely. They fully planed on doing exactly that but they recognized what a fowl up that was and instead you get some mutated half system. I wish they would have. It would have sucked so bad. It would have potentially led to them loosing their obsession with RNG.
Sane and rational? Ha! They made a huge mistake adding them back in Wrath because everybody got used to facerolling through dungeons for easy and fast rep. I actually don't mind them adding other ways to gain VP/rep, which is why I edited my post before your reply, but I hope they don't just decide to bring rep tabards back.
Perhaps BoA rep tabards if you reach exalted on at least one character, so your alts can farm heroic 5man gear while gaining rep? I'm sure everybody would love that.
Although I absolutely despise the current daily/rep system, it's a fair thing to say that the tabard system wasn't great either. I think a BoA rep tabard is a solid idea for people with alts, but it has been suggested 10000 times on the official WoW forums, including by me, and instead they took this ridiculous 'commendation' route.
The tabard system wasn't great only for BLIZZARD.
For us players it was AWESOME system.
Hence it was removed.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
I'm all for boa rep tabards but I don't view rep tabards as a mistake. I also don't view double dipping as a bad thing. It just makes activities rewarding. I don't see the problem with that. What's wrong with rewarding dungeons? and fast and eays rep for that matter?
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Why is it shitty for Blizzard? Cause it makes reps easy? Make more content then. Don't ask me to grind more for less.
Which is why they are making the 5.2 daily faction basically useless, right? They flat out said 5.2 daily quests won't feel mandatory. Why is that? Because unless you need loot 26 item levels or more below current valor gear or want whatever fluff mount is exalted, you won't have to touch it.
That's a rather large move from top of the line valor gear behind the dailies to nothing worth a crap behind the dailies.
Apparently what the playerbase "feels" is mandatory matters to Blizzard when enough of them quit.
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Will they ever? RNG serves nothing and no one but Blizzard as a slowdown mechanism, yet players act like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
That's exactly why it's bad for Blizzard - it requires them to pump up more content than they want (want - not can, they can pump out more content, they just don't want, it's costly - it's cheaper to gate content)
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Also I'd like to repeat myself from previous pages.
If it FEELS mandatory - it IS mandatory.
How else you can define something as mandatory?
If you like doing something - you do it and don't feel it's mandatory EVEN if it is.
It's all in the feelings area.
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All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
i never thought i would find myself saying this, but bring back tabard rep. im sick of doing dailies even with the commendations you can get at revered to help your other chars, they all suck after levelling up 2 chars to 90. i would rather spend my time grinding hc`s than doing dailies & im sure the dps guys out there would have quicker waiting times also.
How completely ridiculous you and everyone who did this is. You're willing to quit WoW altogether, but not quit dailies? WHY NOT JUST QUIT DOING DAILIES
And don't tell me "I have to" if it's for gear. You get gear in raids. If you've got access to, say, HONORED level VP gear and still struggling enough in raids that you can't even get gear anymore, then you've got bigger problems than that last upgrade.
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Blatant contradiction. "Even if it is mandatory, but you don't feel it's mandatory, then it's not." You can't start with "Even if it is X" and end with "then it's not X".If you like doing something - you do it and don't feel it's mandatory EVEN if it is.
You don't need to be exalted to raid. You don't even need to be revered. You don't even need VP gear at all. Yes, you might get a slower start if your whole group is new to the tier and doesn't have VP gear, but that is YOUR CHOICE to take advantage of everything offered to accelerate the process. YOU HAVE A CHOICE, therefore it's not mandatory.
This is all aside from the fact that if dailies were as "mandatory" as everyone says, then everyone would have done them every day, in which case they would have been exalted in the first 3 or 4 weeks with everyone. SO WHY ARE YOU STILL DOING DAILIES??? If it's for any other reason than rep, then they're not mandatory, period. If it's because you still need any rep, then the very fact that you're still not exalted SIX MONTHS after release PROVES that you don't do them anywhere near every day and therefore they can't possibly be mandatory because you're not doing them.
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Blatant contradiction. "Even if it is mandatory, but you don't feel it's mandatory, then it's not." You can't start with "Even if it is X" and end with "then it's not X".If you like doing something - you do it and don't feel it's mandatory EVEN if it is.
You don't need to be exalted to raid. You don't even need to be revered. You don't even need VP gear at all. Yes, you might get a slower start if your whole group is new to the tier and doesn't have VP gear, but that is YOUR CHOICE to take advantage of everything offered to accelerate the process. YOU HAVE A CHOICE, therefore it's not mandatory.
This is all aside from the fact that if dailies were as "mandatory" as everyone says, then everyone would have done them every day, in which case they would have been exalted in the first 3 or 4 weeks with everyone. SO WHY ARE YOU STILL DOING DAILIES??? If it's for any other reason than rep, then they're not mandatory, period. If it's because you still need any rep, then the very fact that you're still not exalted SIX MONTHS after release PROVES that you don't do them anywhere near every day and therefore they can't possibly be mandatory because you're not doing them.
What's worse is that they hide behind players on forums. It's disgusting. I don't expect them to jump at every criticism but daily criticism was pretty pervasive and it took them 6 months to get their shit together and at least half of that was CMS arguing on forums instead of responding to player feedback. Such a waste of an expansion.
I spent the majority of my Justice points on the blue 458 trinket from Dominance Offensive, since trinkets were the one thing I had trouble finding in heroics. I have no way to check the exact number now, but I do remember not having enough JP (1500) to upgrade a single item even after basically being done with heroic gearing.
I tried doing Sha of Anger a few times. Apparently my faction was pretty terrible at organizing and leading people. You'd think if a 25 man newbie raid can kill LFR bosses, a 40 man raid could kill some farmable world boss. Nope. So I never got a kill from it. I don't think I ever even saw or heard calls for the other world boss in the time I was in Pandaria.
460 was pretty easy, got most of that from the heroic dungeons. Also helps when you're the only one that can even use the drops; no competition.
470 was nightmarish. Had to break the bank to buy 2 items from the AH. Managed to churn out the easier dailies (Farmville and Chinese dragons, which don't give gear) to get the 90 small charms to get 3 big charms for LFR for the last 2 weeks. Got fail bags for all 6 tries. Got crazy lucky to at least get a main hand from LFR. Had to make some calculations and ended up deciding to just force myself to do the Dominance Offensive dailies to get the ring, since it was item level 496. Luckily I also got a 483 PVP resilience trinket from a rare boss in the Alliance base, though it almost feels like cheating to use it.
It feels like these arguments are boiling down to the equivalent of "What do you think 'mandatory' means?" A lot of stuff in the game isn't mandatory if you take them to the limits of absurdity. You don't need gear, you don't have to raid, you don't have to group up, you don't have to play, etc.
But if Blizzard has made other options extremely random or inefficient, then by comparison, the most expedient option is going to seem mandatory. Does it make a difference if it "is" or just "seems" to be? Not really. You're just splitting hairs at that point. I could just walk the 20 miles to work every day if I don't like the commute or paying for my car; driving isn't mandatory, I have options. But I'd be out of my mind to do that.
So... Keep running LFR and killing world bosses once a week and hope you don't get a fail bag or a dupe/sidegrade, run dungeons and scenarios like crazy to slowly upgrade your gear by a few points with JP (which will be impossible after the next patch), or even get more crazier and win one of those 0.1% chance to drop epics, or just knuckle down and do the god-awful boring dailies to unlock reputation levels (to open up new dailies!) so you can actually spend the Valor Points they keep taunting you with. What a dilemma.