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  1. #141
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    A blood elf focus to the horde would break the game. It MUST be about orcs vs. humans. Otherwise the game willl degenerate into something interesting, which is unthinkable.
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  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    A blood elf focus to the horde would break the game. It MUST be about orcs vs. humans. Otherwise the game willl degenerate into something interesting, which is unthinkable.
    It already IS interesting. The game is more interesting and fun than it's been in years.

  3. #143
    no one wants a blood elf leader of the horde

    orcs especially would NOT be ruled by someone other than their own

  4. #144
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    Lor'Themar Theron wants to kill Garrosh because he disagrees with his bloodthirsty warring attitude.
    Vol'Jin wants Garrosh dead due to the assassination attempt.
    Baine wants to kill him as vengeance for his father.
    Sylvanas and Gallywix probably don't care as they have their own agendas they are trying to deal with.

    And the Alliance wants him dead. It really isn't that hard.

    As for replacements, I have a nice list of candidates:
    -Thrall, Orc
    -Saurfang, Orc
    -Eitrigg, Orc
    -Nazgrim, Orc
    -Baine, Tauren
    -Vol'jin, Troll
    -Lor'Themar, Blood Elf

    There aren't very many Tauren that are close to the War Council, so I can't really list too many of them. Same goes for all the non-Orc races of the Horde.

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    He's probably the second best alternative to Thrall.

    I'd consider him a better leader if it wasn't for the fact that the horde leader should be an orc imo.

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    I agree, I think Lor'themar probably has the most wisdom at the mantle of a nation both during war and not. I mean he has been RegetLord since Kael'thas left, but I'm sure he has held the leadership of the Elven armies prior to that. And we have no idea how old he is, and with that he may be the wisest ruler of the Horde. Vol'jin, Baine, and Sylvanas seem to be young compared to him.

  7. #147
    I'm going with either him or Vol'jin. They're the ones really running the show in MoP for the Horde.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    Lor'Themar Theron wants to kill Garrosh because he disagrees with his bloodthirsty warring attitude.
    Vol'Jin wants Garrosh dead due to the assassination attempt.
    Baine wants to kill him as vengeance for his father.
    Sylvanas and Gallywix probably don't care as they have their own agendas they are trying to deal with.

    And the Alliance wants him dead. It really isn't that hard.

    As for replacements, I have a nice list of candidates:
    -Thrall, Orc
    -Saurfang, Orc
    -Eitrigg, Orc
    -Nazgrim, Orc
    -Baine, Tauren
    -Vol'jin, Troll
    -Lor'Themar, Blood Elf

    There aren't very many Tauren that are close to the War Council, so I can't really list too many of them. Same goes for all the non-Orc races of the Horde.
    Thrall, by his own words, knows himself to be too old-fashioned and out of touch with what is needed.

    Thrall didn't pick Saurfang the first time because he's too old.

    Thrall didn't pick Eitrigg the first time because he's too old.

    Baine is pretty much the same as Cairne. Thrall didn't pick Cairne because he was too old-fashioned and out of touch with what was needed.
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  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Thrall, by his own words, knows himself to be too old-fashioned and out of touch with what is needed.

    Thrall didn't pick Saurfang the first time because he's too old.

    Thrall didn't pick Eitrigg the first time because he's too old.

    Baine is pretty much the same as Cairne. Thrall didn't pick Cairne because he was too old-fashioned and out of touch with what was needed.
    thrall isn't old


    it's going to be thrall coming back to lead, you really think they are just going to write out thrall again.

    it's not going to be vol'jin either, trolls have always seemed content to just follower the orcs leadership.
    Last edited by jonoy8; 2013-03-03 at 08:22 AM.

  10. #150
    no just no on a blood elf as warchief i can see a troll or tauren but hell no on blood elf

  11. #151
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    After all this "Who is going to be the next Warchief!?" stuff; I would laugh if Thrall went, " Our next Warchief is...................DEMOCRACY!"

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Haizer View Post
    After all this "Who is going to be the next Warchief!?" stuff; I would laugh if Thrall went, " Our next Warchief is...................DEMOCRACY!"
    Then a huge orc wearing bifocals and holding voting ballots emerges from the shadows, takes a bow.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by jonoy8 View Post
    thrall isn't old


    it's going to be thrall coming back to lead, you really think they are just going to write out thrall again.

    it's not going to be vol'jin either, trolls have always seemed content to just follower the orcs leadership.
    Old-fashioned != old
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

    RPG is non-canon by default. (MickyNeilson)

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Thrall, by his own words, knows himself to be too old-fashioned and out of touch with what is needed.

    Thrall didn't pick Saurfang the first time because he's too old.

    Thrall didn't pick Eitrigg the first time because he's too old.

    Baine is pretty much the same as Cairne. Thrall didn't pick Cairne because he was too old-fashioned and out of touch with what was needed.
    WRONG! He didn't pick Baine because he thought he was too young. :3

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Old-fashioned != old
    that doesn't even make sense, thrall doesn't think the old shamanistic ways need to be changed

    garrosh is the "progressive" one, we see how well that is working out.

    if anything it's just more proof to thrall he needs to lead the orcs

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by jonoy8 View Post
    that doesn't even make sense, thrall doesn't think the old shamanistic ways need to be changed

    garrosh is the "progressive" one, we see how well that is working out.

    if anything it's just more proof to thrall he needs to lead the orcs
    Because he's the hero the Orcs deserve, but not the one they need right now. Thrall picked Garrosh because he's a warrior; a war hero from Northrend. Most of the Orcs don't follow shamanism. 2 generations of Orcs grew up knowing nothing about shamanism and being cut off from the elements/spirits. Thrall is a relic of the past. Shamanism is good for the Orcs' future, but they aren't ready for it yet.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

    RPG is non-canon by default. (MickyNeilson)

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Because he's the hero the Orcs deserve, but not the one they need right now. Thrall picked Garrosh because he's a warrior; a war hero from Northrend. Most of the Orcs don't follow shamanism. 2 generations of Orcs grew up knowing nothing about shamanism and being cut off from the elements/spirits. Thrall is a relic of the past. Shamanism is good for the Orcs' future, but they aren't ready for it yet.
    I don't think you even know what you're writing about, thrall is hardly going to step back and let another younger inexperienced orc lead them down another disastrous path.

    thrall is coming back to lead, you will have to accept it.

  18. #158
    I believe it's going to be a Orc,and that its going to be Thrall. How would you reign in the left over orcs who still believe in Garrosh's pre crazy ways? The majority of young orcs were very happy with his rule in cata.

    Also, if you're a young Orc why would you listen to some elf who stayed in his city for the events of bc,wotlk,cata and half of mop? He finally does something and its to stand in the way of said young orcs.

    Only Thrall can clean this mess up.
    Last edited by Owl blue; 2013-03-03 at 11:17 AM.

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    Imo that would be too much too soon. He just received his share of awesome after years of being a largely unknown nobody, I think they should hit the breaks a little with him after 5.2.
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  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by jonoy8 View Post
    I don't think you even know what you're writing about, thrall is hardly going to step back and let another younger inexperienced orc lead them down another disastrous path.

    thrall is coming back to lead, you will have to accept it.
    Thrall clearly doesn't still have that kind of authority. The Kor'kron (special bodyguards Thrall created) refuse to acknowledge Thrall and attack him on the Echo Isles.

    Thrall says: Have I been away so long that you have forgotten who I am?
    Kor'kron Soulbreaker says: Thrall, we no longer answer to you. We have a new Warchief now. And he has reminded us that we are STRONG!
    Thrall says: These are our Allies! You watch over them like they're a threat. Why? You WILL answer to me!
    Kor'kron Soulbreaker says: No! Never again!


    "The orcs have changed. My Horde has changed. Do I kill my fellow orcs until it is once again "my" Horde? Do I have any right to try force the Horde to be what it once was?"


    If Thrall had any kind of political power/support, he could just walk up to Garrosh take Warchief back. But he doesn't and he can't.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

    RPG is non-canon by default. (MickyNeilson)

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