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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    "Primordial landscape" doesn't mean Azeroth was a vacuum or completely uninhabitable, it's just Blizzard being fancy with their words. Seeing as the only (known) sentient inhabitants were the Trolls, Aqir, faceless, and old gods, the place was probably very rough around the edges. Hence "primordial."

    In the same way that "age" doesn't definitively denote any specific amount of time, it's just another way of saying "a really long time."


    -At some long-gone time, the Old gods were tearing up Azeroth

    -titans show up at a slightly less long-gone time and beat down the old gods

    -The titans terraformed Azeroth at some unknown point in the past after that.

    -The curse of flesh happens. The ONLY estimate we have as to when the curse of flesh happened comes from Thoralius the wise, who says that the visions Alliance players have of the Vrykul with their human child dates back 15,000 years.
    They describe the Titans as "raising mighty mountains and dredging out vast seas. They breathed skies and raging atmospheres into being."

    What about protodrakes? Blizzard says they didn't exist on Azeroth pre-Titans. So then where did they come from for the Titans to make them into dragons? Some of these species came about during/after the terraforming.

    The Aqir built their empire on Kalimdor (which didn't exist until after the Titan terraforming). This was several thousand years before they were defeated by the Trolls 16,000 years ago.

    As proof that Blizzard doesn't think this shit through. One source in game says the Qiraji came from the Aqir (whom were created by the Old Gods). Another source in game says the Qiraji came from Silithid (whom were created by the Well of Eternity and modified by C'thun).

    Trying to make sense of this is putting more effort into it than Blizzard did when they wrote the lore or made those comments.
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    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
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  2. #142
    Honestly everything seems to point to the Pantheon in fact being a bigger threat to Azeroth than even Sargeras.

    Too bad creativity at Blizzard's Warcraft and Diablo teams seems to be at an all time low and they'll probably end up bringing the Titans out of nowhere to reward the players for their heroism and adventures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    What about protodrakes? Blizzard says they didn't exist on Azeroth pre-Titans.
    Where did they say that?
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  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Where did they say that?
    "Besides the elementals, the only known sentient races on Azeroth when the titans' forces arrived to subdue the Old Gods were the trolls, the race known as "faceless ones," and the aqir."

    Proto-dragons were a lot dumber than current dragons, but they were still sentient; capable of rational thought and speech.
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    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  5. #145
    Just gonna chime in the dog and wolf argument. Humans allowed wolves to come to their camps because they could detect lions or sabertooth cats approaching the camp and eventually a group of wolves became tame and began to live entirely amongst humans and the tamest wolves were the most likely to reproduce while the humans could take down a mammoth and could easy feed the wolves the scraps the humans couldn't eat. While cats came from agriculture. Soon as we began storing food, pests became a problem, so we began to tolerate having the wild cat species from the desert in our silos because they killed the vermin (perhaps the pandaren should look into this idea =P). Over time, the cats that got to benefit from our ability to attract vermin were the ones that we tolerated, hence why traits like meowing and the kitty seductiveness came about. Dogs and cats are the only domestic animals that came about natural selection (at least until we started making breeds). It's the animals like goats, sheep, horses, cattle, etc, that have been enslaved. They typically are not privileged enough to come into the house.

    Anyhow, to the OP, that really sounded like a good theory until people presented evidence that the Pandaren were around before the Mogu empire. The Mogu failed if they created the Pandaren because they created them with emotions that made them hate slavery. Dogs and cats aren't slaves because they love us. We can open the door to let them out and they will come back. But the pandaren were given very human like emotions. The idea that the pandaren were created by the Mogu was interesting and would be a great twist and I think it is kinda plausible. Pandaria lore continues to grow more and more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    At the time of the dev chat, proto drakes probably weren't considered "sentient;" all the in game ones were merely beasts (most were even classified as beasts)

    The running theory up until... well, pretty much now, was that proto drakes naturally evolved from dinosaurs and eventually into dragons.

    When they wanted to write "rise of the aspects" with the original aspects as proto drakes, they probably didn't "oh gee, that'd be cool to do, but in that one single dev chat we didn't mention the proto drakes were sentient beings, so I guess we can't"


    And besides, the dragons seemed to have gotten a pretty good deal out of the titan's arrival.
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  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    Honestly everything seems to point to the Pantheon in fact being a bigger threat to Azeroth than even Sargeras.
    How did you get to that ? Afaik , Sargeras want to kill every race on every planet. He want to "reset" the life and start over.
    Sargeras must be the true final boss of WoW (but there will be no "true final boss" as long as WoW provides huge profit)

  8. #148
    But haven't we been fighting on the wrong side since Algalon, in Ulduar? Wasn't he a servant of the Titans?

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Rorillane View Post
    But haven't we been fighting on the wrong side since Algalon, in Ulduar? Wasn't he a servant of the Titans?
    Okay, curse me for reviving the thread, but if Algalon was right...why did we just roll over and have him to his thing to us? =P
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