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  1. #141
    Pretty obvious from the hints they've dropped already and the fact that stat scaling tech is already in the game that the new feature will let you do old raids and/or dungeons with scaled down stats for the correct time period. Perhaps in the form of lfr/challenge modes or something.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Thorim View Post
    Just like LFD challenge modes which are totally in the game right now? There aren't enough people who would run content like that, unless they ONLY let you queue for one old raid, or else you would have 3 or 4 old raids which people like or don't like and queue only for the one they like...making the pool of people queueing for that specific one even less.
    And really, unless they are very generous with the ilvl they give us, do you really want to do 25man PUGs for things like Black Temple at lvl 70? I think that is the real reason it will be ´challenge mode´ style rather than LFR. If they did LFR, then they would have to go back and remove a ton of mechanisms from every raid. It will be challenge mode where you will have to form your own groups.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Masternewt View Post
    Yes, please let it be lfr for stuff I can solo. That would add so much content to the game.
    This.

    The idea behind lfr is to allow players to experience current content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absintheminded View Post
    I feel sorry that you did not already put hundreds of hours into each classic raid when it was current content. Otherwise, I doubt you'd be such a snide prick about someone else not wanting to do that all over again for no reason other than to satisfy nostalgia only to then turn into grief and regret that you came back only to wipe for hours on a difficult boss/mechanic. Yeah, I'm such a sad, sad person.
    You know, some raids I have fun even after doing a hundred times. I'd still like to do BWD, Firelands, Zul'gurub, the part of Molten Core I did, Ulduar and so on. Personally I don't raid for gear, the only reason I care for gear is so I can progress to the next raid to experience that one, for me it's all about the experience. Admittedly re-experiencing old raids hang partly on nostalgia (especially the Vanilla raids), but some of the old raids are still good, even by today's standards. Not all of us has experienced every single raid, I didn't care for TBC and thus I had a break from the game there, however, I'd love to go back and face Illidan in Black Temple. New players can also get to experience the past, and see what everyone is so hyped up about concerning different raids like Ulduar and Karazhan, and hey, some players might come to the realization that the past wasn't so much better than the present.

    By the way, I don't care about wiping, that's all about progress, trial through error, if I hated wiping I probably wouldn't be raiding. I just don't get the mentality that you wouldn't want to do something if it doesn't provide gear, or you want to do something you hate just because it gives you gear, I don't really follow that logic.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by wariofan1 View Post
    You know, some raids I have fun even after doing a hundred times. I'd still like to do BWD, Firelands, Zul'gurub, the part of Molten Core I did, Ulduar and so on. Personally I don't raid for gear, the only reason I care for gear is so I can progress to the next raid to experience that one, for me it's all about the experience. Admittedly re-experiencing old raids hang partly on nostalgia (especially the Vanilla raids), but some of the old raids are still good, even by today's standards. Not all of us has experienced every single raid, I didn't care for TBC and thus I had a break from the game there, however, I'd love to go back and face Illidan in Black Temple. New players can also get to experience the past, and see what everyone is so hyped up about concerning different raids like Ulduar and Karazhan, and hey, some players might come to the realization that the past wasn't so much better than the present.

    By the way, I don't care about wiping, that's all about progress, trial through error, if I hated wiping I probably wouldn't be raiding. I just don't get the mentality that you wouldn't want to do something if it doesn't provide gear, or you want to do something you hate just because it gives you gear, I don't really follow that logic.
    You're twisting my words and you know it. Also, nobody likes wiping, but many people like a challenge. There's a difference. I said that I don't want to go back to the old raids with a handicap for no current benefit, only to satisfy nostalgia. There's nothing wrong with my feelings any more or less than your feelings.

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    I’m going to take a WAG at this.

    I think they’ll take the new MOP concept of “Challenge Raids/Dungeons” and apply it to all WoW Raids and Dungeons. Sure you cleared Black Temple, but can beat the current record?

    Of course you could make it even more fun and add different records for specific groups like: all healers, DPS only, melee only, all Rogues, one of every class/talent (that’s 34 players), all Gnomes…….ok maybe not the last one. But think of all the combinations you could come up with.

    You wouldn’t need to edit any content and would just use the “challenge code” already introduced in MoP.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    Makes absolutely no sense to have a LFR for old content that is already soloable.

    I'd say the 'top feature' will be user created content in the form of scenarios.
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  9. #149
    The problem with re-tooling old raids, is that old-school style guilds are already just blowing through them because of class changes. Unless they have some Caverns of Time style situation that returns the game, talents, abilities and specs to relative content, any retooling is a waste of time.

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    we will get the chance to do even more dailys!
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    Thats something that should already exist, and is nothing new or exciting. Most people can solo that crap anyways, or get a 90 friends to help them. Other then for Xmorgs, and that "oh this place" feel, there is no reason to do old content anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    Makes absolutely no sense to have a LFR for old content that is already soloable.

    I'd say the 'top feature' will be user created content in the form of scenarios.
    Perhaps player housing? I mean they've pretty much mastered phasing, would be the best thing for the game to add at this point.

  12. #152
    in my own opinion I think its gonna be cross realm heirloom mechanic, but idk... I aint no blizzard employee, hell it could be anything

  13. #153
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    I don't know what it could be but it's not going to be player housing, that's something that if they ever implemented would probably be at the launch of an expansion. I can't see it being lfr for older raids either. To much development time for something that makes zero sense.

  14. #154
    It can't be old raids as LFR.

    Why? Because the only way a lot of people would actually do them is if they offered gear as good as or slightly less good as the current LFR gear at the time it's released. So, if it releases in 5.4 along with Siege of Orgrimmar LFR (which could have, say, iLvL 540 gear), then the old-world raid LFR would have to drop the same gear or maybe around iLvL 530 gear if Blizzard wants many people to do it. Otherwise, the only reason to do them would be for transmog or nostalgia, both of which you could achieve by soloing those raids right now.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Zerdus View Post
    It can't be old raids as LFR.

    Why? Because the only way a lot of people would actually do them is if they offered gear as good as or slightly less good as the current LFR gear at the time it's released. So, if it releases in 5.4 along with Siege of Orgrimmar LFR (which could have, say, iLvL 540 gear), then the old-world raid LFR would have to drop the same gear or maybe around iLvL 530 gear if Blizzard wants many people to do it. Otherwise, the only reason to do them would be for transmog or nostalgia, both of which you could achieve by soloing those raids right now.
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  16. #156
    I don't understand why some people are thrilled to scale DOWN the gear and stats. Seriously, they all RUSH to max level, then they want to be scaled down. I think scaling is retarded and it's the main reason I didn't buy GW2. I want to evolve, not to degenerate...

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    This seems like the unannounced feature. Blizzard has dropped words relating to older content, and then the fact of some people saying" WOO!" and some saying"meh", so I feel it could appease those to scale down to 60 and do MC or other old raids in a group, while still allowing people to solo the original at level cap (or whichever level they choose to do the content at). I'll try it out, but I doubt it will be pretty (if this is it), it may actually make me want to try LFR.

  18. #158
    It's stat scaling and down leveling for zones. They already have zones sorted according to the levels you can achieve by questing in the zones, they have cross-realm. Zones are older content. They said this might be a feature some players would be kind of.. meh about.. and some would love. Just wait. Plus this will allow them to introduce events and other things to encourage people to visit the zones that won't mess with the dynamic. It could also eradicate the issue of high levels ganking low levels thus adding to a more balanced pvp system.

  19. #159
    Why not? I'd be a good way to implement the remaining colours of various tiers that didn't make it into the 10 and 25man/normal and hc modes like:





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