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    [Priest] State of Priest - Throne of Thunder [5.2] edition

    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
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    • The shadow effect of From Darkness; Comes Light does not seem to be maintaining its intended 15% trigger chance. Whether this is a bug or intended has yet to be answered.


    Alright, time to move forward, seeing as hey we're now live. With changes, and reverts to changes, and confusing tooltips and what have you, what actually changed for Priests, that we can keep track of?

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    • Focused Will has been increased to 15% damage reduction per stack (up to 2), and is now shared with Holy Priests.
    • Holy Fire is now instant cast.

    Talents
    • A single Psyfiend will no longer cast Psychic Horror on the same person twice.
    • Dominate Mind's cast time was lowered to 1.8 seconds (down from 2.5)

    • Angelic Feather now lasts 6 seconds (up from 4)
    • Phantasm's "freedom" effect has been increased to 5 seconds (up from 3) but no longer makes the Priest untargettable by ranged attacks

    • Power Word: Solace has been redesigned to Solace and Insanity.
      • For Discipline and Holy, this spell replaces Holy Fire, keeping the (new) instant cast but removing its mana cost, replacing it with a 1% mana restore.
        • This spell's damage transitions to healing for both Holy and Discipline
      • For Shadow, your Devouring Plague increases the damage of your Mind Flay by 33% per orb spent.

    • Angelic Bulwark can no longer be dispelled.

    • Power Infusion now increases damage by 5% while active

    • Halo will no longer destealth targets.


    Discipline
    • Power Word: Shield has a reduced mana cost by 25% and can now crit (both Discipline exclusive).
    • Penance's healing is now increased by Evangelism, it's base healing and damage has been increased by 20%, it's cooldown reduced to 9 seconds, and now has a 40 yard range for both offensive and defensive casting.
    • Rapture has been nerfed to 150% the caster's spirit, and now excludes temporary spirit buffs.
    • Divine Aegis no longer automatically triggers off of Prayer of Healing, and has been redesigned
      • When a Discipline Priest crits on a heal spell, the "crit" portion of the spell is 100% absorb based. Example: If your Heal does 20k worth of healing on average, and it crits, it still only does 20k worth of healing, but it attaches an absorb of 20k on top of that. Both numbers are increased by the crit meta, Grace, Archangel, the new Mastery, pretty much everything.
      • This is also undispellable
    • Spirit Shell is now undispellable, but no longer scales with the absorb portion of mastery rating.
    • The absorb value from baseline mastery and its rating has been reduced by 36% (baseline 20% -> 13%) but it now also increases healing (baseline at 6%).
    • Pain Suppression can now always be cast while stunned.
    • Inner Focus now always grants 5 seconds of immunity to silence, interrupt, and dispel effects.

    Holy
    • Guardian Spirit can now always be cast while stunned.

    Shadow
    • Flash Heal, Binding Heal, Renew, and Prayer of Mending will now do 20% less healing for Shadow Priests.
    • Dispersion now shares the Shadow school lockout.
    • Shadowform now increases damage by 25% (up from 20%).
    • Shadow Word: Pain has had both the periodic and the instant damage increased by 25%.





    Glyphs
    • Glyph of Desperation has been replaced with Glyph of Binding Heal
      • Glyph of Binding Heal *new* Your Binding Heal heals a third target, but costs 35% more mana
    • Glyph of Inner Focus has been replaced with Glyph of Weakened Soul
      • Glyph of Weakened Soul *new* The Duration of your Weakened Soul is reduced by 2 seconds
    • Glyph of Holy Fire has been redesigned, now increases range of Holy Fire, Smite, and Power Word: Solace by 10 yards
    • Glyph of Mind Spike is now limited to cast-time Mind Spikes (not instant from FD;CL or other effects)


    PvP Set bonus
    • Old Discipline/Holy 2pc has been destroyed, replaced with the *former 4pc*
      • When you cast Prayer of Mending, the initial target is blessed with a Holy Spark increasing the healing done by your next Flash Heal, Greater Heal or Holy Word: Serenity by 50% for 10 sec.
    • New Discipline/Holy 4pc
      • Reduces the cooldown of your Chakra by 25 sec. During Spirit Shell, the mana cost of your Flash Heal is reduced by 50%.
    • The Shadow 4pc Horror effect on Vampiric Touch dispel no longer applies diminishing returns
    So that's what happened, what's your take?
    Last edited by Arlee; 2013-10-03 at 05:05 PM.
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    Shadowform now increases damage by 25%.

    Didn't see that in there.

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    Woops, thanks! Had a feeling I was forgetting something kind of important. Oops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamzz View Post
    Shadowform now increases damage by 25%.

    Didn't see that in there.
    I was looking for that too. Was that reverted?

    Edit: Nevermind, I am slow.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-05 at 02:32 AM ----------

    Well, the two shadow buffs should close the damage gap a bit. The SW:P buff in particular is interesting. This, combined with the FD;CL bug or having only 2-t14/2-t15 set effect should put SW:P well ahead of VT for multi-DoT situations. Wondering if instant SW:P reapply is a good option to fill movement GCDs now, missing being able to do that with DP during Cata.

    I was originally concerned about the nerfs to shadow heals considering how often I actually used them in raids. Then I realized Glyph of Binding Heal is awesome, considering that's what I usually spammed if I was going to de-form. Should nicely replace the now-useless Glyph of Mind Spike.

    All-in-all, not much changed, but I'm looking forward to playing with what did.

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    Without taking gear scaling into the equation

    The nerf to Rapture n' Mastery Absorb portion, might end up making Discipline mostly about spamming shields while trying to maintain resource through Pw: Solace / Mb, ultimately it could be a very rewarding spec to continue playing, or it could end up being such a hassle that it's not worth it, on the other hand.., if the dmg on fights are sustained enough, we will still resort mostly to PoH where the reworked Mastery could be enough to make up for the loss in Mastery Absorbs.

    I'm fairly excited to see how it pans out in early progression!

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    I am not sure there is anything we can turn to during movement other than SW:P if we have no instant procs. Better some damage than none.

    I was thinking the changes for shadow were going to be pretty decent, but with the GoMindSpike change I am underwhelmed overall. Still looking forward to see how things play out though.

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    How does the Glyph of Binding Heal choose the 3rd person to get the added healing? Is it like chain heal?

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    It seems that with Disc, they can never make up their mind. In Wrath, we were bubble spammers. They took that away and made us focus more on DA, Atonement, etc. We were still great healers with that so now they want us to spam bubbles a little more again. Make up your mind Blizz :3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerycho View Post
    It seems that with Disc, they can never make up their mind. In Wrath, we were bubble spammers. They took that away and made us focus more on DA, Atonement, etc. We were still great healers with that so now they want us to spam bubbles a little more again. Make up your mind Blizz :3
    They have. The problem is, as far as 25's are concerned, Discipline's healingbreakdown was Prayer of Healing spam, Divine Aegis which is auto applied by Prayer of Healing, and Spirit Shell which is applied to your raid by spamming Prayer of Healing.

    They don't want you to bubblespam, they just want you to use more of your toolkit, that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruncholyo View Post
    How does the Glyph of Binding Heal choose the 3rd person to get the added healing? Is it like chain heal?
    I believe it's someone injured within 20 yards of the targeted heal.

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    A wild mistweaver appears!

    Do any of you priests know if Inscribed Bag of Hydra-Spawn benefits from Discipline mastery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zonde View Post
    A wild mistweaver appears!

    Do any of you priests know if Inscribed Bag of Hydra-Spawn benefits from Discipline mastery?
    I'm gonna say probably not, seeing as some Disc absorbs don't even benefit now. I'm guessing the mastery is case-by-case under the hood, rather than a blanket effect with some exceptions.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-06 at 05:48 AM ----------

    Tried out the changes on live. Shadow buffs are VERY noticeable. Mind Flay (Insanity) is awesome. DoTs are dealing about twice what they were yesterday (just got the 8k haste and my 4set today, but the 25% SW:P is a big part too.) I used to only break 90k on a good pull, now I do ~105k normally. The Affliction Warlocks in my guild say they look forward to not needing to carry me anymore.

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    Glyph of Mind Spike is now limited to cast-time Mind Spikes
    Do I need to start casting MS in PvP now or just forget about the whole glyph? Tuupid nerf. ;__;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti View Post
    So that's what happened, what's your take?
    My take? After a couple of years forced to sit on the bench to my druid, I finally get to bring my priest back out of retirement as my main!

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    Shadow buffs are making us very competitive. I can see now where the +20% Mind Blast buff and/or the change to 'flat' Devouring Plague would have been overkill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twintop View Post
    Shadow buffs are making us very competitive. I can see now where the +20% Mind Blast buff and/or the change to 'flat' Devouring Plague would have been overkill.
    and it's so hard to just give them to pve like they do with new warrior abilities at the start of expansions.

    Next tier they are going to run into this problem again. Shadow healing will be nerfed again and they don't know what to do with PvE unless they make 2 sets of numbers which they wont do since it's a lot of work.

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    all my tooltips to do with absorbs seem bugged to shit :/ my actual shields are coming out like 20% less than the tool tips says :< (no buffs / procs any thing, just testing in the middle of no where both nekid and geared) anyone else getting this? other than that im interested to see how things play out havent had a real chance to test them yet.

    on a side note, mastery heavy gear after patch, yay or nay? need to find if the shield changes make haste / crit more attractive now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leyn View Post
    Do I need to start casting MS in PvP now or just forget about the whole glyph? Tuupid nerf. ;__;
    I wouldn't recommend casting non-FDCL MS on something that you're trying to dot up, but maybe that's just me

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    Quote Originally Posted by zonde View Post
    A wild mistweaver appears!

    Do any of you priests know if Inscribed Bag of Hydra-Spawn benefits from Discipline mastery?
    One of our disc got it last night, it did under 1% of his healing. Not worth it.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-07 at 02:57 PM ----------

    Disc in 5.2

    I am finding, that using a mix of SS/PW:S and atonment is the best way to go with mastery stacking.


    You can easily PW:S an entire group maybe 2 and not have it really hurt your mana that badly.

    Using inner focus as a 100% DA shield is also wise if SS is not up.



    Also they fixed the atonment bug, just tested it!

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-07 at 02:58 PM ----------

    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-vq...?s=1674&e=2162

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    Just wanted to post this question here to not open a extra thread. My guild is working on Tortos. I wondered if a paladin BoP'ed me before quake hit it would not break my channel of Divine Hymn when you get stunned.

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