Sort of on topic here (related to new vs. old trinkets)..
I got lucky enough to get a Thunderforged Renataki's from a coin on Tuesday and so far I like it in conjunction with my double updated heroic Bottle, having replaced my double upgraded heroic Terror in the Mists. I know I'm wildly over expertise cap, and I'm far from a math whiz so I don't know how it comes out number-wise but I'm going to play with it for the forseeable future.
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Im right now using N Bottle of Infite Stars and Dominator Signet
Should i go for N Bottle of Infinite Stars and Shado Pan Assault Trinket?
Do they share the CD for proc or they can both proc on the same time?
The Shado Pan trinket is BiS until heroic ToT. So yes, buy it.
As Maelstrom51 said. It's very good (4th BiS including heroic trinkets.)
The best 3 are:
HC Talisman of Bloodlust
HC Rune of Re Origination
HC Bottle of Infinite Stars
In that order.
It is a strong trinket.
Assuming you use cooldowns at the startof a fight, you will do very high damage whichever spec you play. You also can +500 reforged Mastery and lots of hit meaning you can probably reforge hit off everywhere else.
Last night the proc only had about 1/2 the uptime that the HC Bottle had (22% v 41%) but the proc is obviously much stronger.
Overall I think it is a very solid trinket and would recommend it over most normal trinkets especially given that some are completely broken (e.g. Rentaki's).
Edit: Nevermind. Shadowcraft is now showing Bad Juju as second BiS and having all secondary stats close together for massive Rune procs. It seems the priority at that level is haste > crit> mastery (but within 3000 of whichever is the highest of haste and crit). In the profile I am using, the Rune of Re-origination proc provides a massive 35k mastery rating.
Edit2: By the way, that proc results in you having almost 300% mastery. Pretty huge.
Last edited by Maelstrom51; 2013-03-11 at 12:42 PM.
With a good playstyle you might be able to make it work, but there's so much you'd have to put into gaming Rune in that situation (saved 10 CPs, 100% Envenom uptime during the Rune proc, capped energy) that it's improbable to do.
And since you were curious, my resource was (keyword WAS) AskMrRobot, which mathed out Vicious and Bad Juju as BiS but changes itself once you plug in Rune (DPS jumps 5-10k and the second trinket changes to either Soul Charm HM or the VP trinket (for Sub).
Rune really isn't a very good trinket for assassination. Yes shadowcraft recommends it but shadowcraft substantially overvalues it. I explained the reason here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post20462853
I did the math on Rune here to demonstrate the weakness of the proc: http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t131716-...1/#post2263230
Additionally Rune messes with the shadowcraft gear recommendations, it will aim for rough stat parity so if you are mastery heavy it will substantially increase the ep value of haste. This is very likely an artifact of how shadowcraft handles the trinket. Rune probably brings stat values closer together but not to the extent shadowcraft shows.
I suspect BiS trinkets for assassination will be heroic talisman and heroic bottle (2x upgraded) if nothing changes with RPPM. Heroic bad juju is roughly equivalent with a 2x upgraded heroic bottle but I'd put bottle ahead for the regularity it provides.
In the gearset I am using on Shadowcraft with Rune, there is 9892 Haste rating, 8112 crit rating, and 7368 (+3k from the buff) mastery rating. Using your "Typical EP" values from EJ of 1.10, 1.07 and 1.27 EP respectively, this is a total EP of 32,728 EP.
For reference, reforging for mastery results in 12293 (+3k) mastery, 5960 haste, and 6141 crit, as well as +478 shifted into expertise, for a total of about 33,025 EP.
Now, when Rune procs, it will reduce your haste and crit rating to zero and give you 36,008 mastery rating, for a total of 46376 mastery. Now, given your EP value of 0.88 for mastery when other stats are zero, that brings your total secondary stat EP to 41810 during the proc. With the 18.6% uptime on the proc as assumed in your EJ post, that brings the value of the proc down to 1503 EP.
That's pretty damn terrible, especially considering you have to sacrifice a small amount of EP when without the proc, and that this analysis is biased towards Rune since the EP values used initially are based on a traditional spread of assassination stats.
Tl;dr, I agree with you, and Rune is still terrible.
To get back on topic, yes, get the shado pan trinket. It's a decent upgrade.
I've nearly finished working on some very basic spreadsheet work on trinkets, just figuring out talisman of bloodlust's placement. But beside, Shado-Pan friendly trinket in my calculations comes just slightly ahead of bottle of infinite stars heroic. Once the sheet is done, I'll post and let you clever little rogues scrutinise at your pleasure.
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As a preliminary, assuming the absolute best of luck (realistic results to follow in a new thread), this is where I hold trinkets:
Renataki's Soul Charm (H)
Talisman of Bloodlust (H)
Bad Juju (H)
Renataki's Soul Charm
Talisman of Bloodlust
Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault
Bottle of Infinite Stars (H)
Terror in the Mists (H)
Renataki's Soul Charm (RF)
Bottle of Infinite Stars
Talisman of Bloodlust (RF)
Bad Juju (RF)
Terror in the Mists
Relic of Xuen
Bottle of Infinite Stars (RF)
Terror in the Mists (RF)
Note: This is also measured at the T15 BiS haste level.
Last edited by Ryme; 2013-03-12 at 10:58 AM.