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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by Klavier Gavin View Post
    Because getting the same patch over and over, and over again is not interesting, it's not impressive. It's always ''A raid, more daily quests, and some gear and changes'' It's nothing new, we get these kind of patches all the time.

    It was impressive in the start with the few first patches giving these things, but now? No, at least not to me, at least not when other MMOs get things out faster, with even better quality.
    so why do you play this game? didn't you know we quest over and over again for 8 years now?, or that we raid over and over again for 8 years now? or that we pvp over and over again? WTF did you people expect, new coming of christ or something?
    I can tell you right now, 5.3 and 5.4 will be about the same, like it or leave it.

  2. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    Well I don't think the 6 week wait is enough to cure what ails LFR from being or feeling mandatory. It's not likely your guild will have it's fill of reward out of the normal raid by the time 6 weeks is over so you'll still be in there looking for upgrades and potentially rep for the faction as well. Under their current reward model it would take my wildest fucking dreams to come true for me to get my fill out of normal raid in 6 weeks. Entropy has a great probability. If the developers insist that it isn't though (and their full of horse shit) then theirs ZERO reason why it should be closed now.
    I think the staggered release is the only thing making LFR less mandatory. If I were still playing, and was making reasonable progress in normal modes, I'd probably skip grinding LFR for gear upgrades. If the whole zone was available on day 1 though, I'd probably be ostracized for not doing it.

  3. #383
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    Yea it makes no sense. It's like they weren't confident in their ability to release patches faster so they had to give all this grind and all these gates. If they were sincere about releasing patches faster than all this slow wasn't necessary. The gate for lfr is 6 weeks. Not even in my wildest fucking dreams in this reward model would I expect to get everything or even 50% of everything I wanted out of that instance. I'd have a greater chance of spontaneously combusting. I think they went over board and I'm hoping they realize this.
    I think they partially realized it, hence the small backpedal on the release dates. Here's to hoping they get their heads out of their asses, or the next quarter's going to be looking shitty.

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    1-2 days in and the complaints about content that hasn't been released entirely yet have begun.
    You do realize this is why people are complaining? Or are you just being facetious?
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  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    so why do you play this game? didn't you know we quest over and over again for 8 years now?, or that we raid over and over again for 8 years now? or that we pvp over and over again? WTF did you people expect, new coming of christ or something?
    I can tell you right now, 5.3 and 5.4 will be about the same, like it or leave it.
    People have been leaving, even without your antagonism. Do you enjoy empty servers?

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    Where were you when raids like SWP and ICC were gated
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  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by rional View Post
    you know i was expecting something different other then a epic daily grind from the new thunder isle...

    i just dont think blizzard really get its... daily grind makes the game so boring... i mean 5 valor points a quest isnt really doing it for me..

    maybe 15-20 valor per quest.. but not 5..

    anyone else think so? and a lack of a lfr.. i mean if it isnt ready now.. no chance lfr is gonna be ready by next week either
    Who says LFR isn't ready now ? They've stated their reasons for not releasing LFR this week and it wasn't because it wasn't ready. It's to give peopel a chance to at least beat normal mode without having already seen all the bosses because that takes way the epicness of the actual proper raid. Have you forgotten how LFR was released in the previous tier already ?

  7. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by mosely View Post
    I think the staggered release is the only thing making LFR less mandatory. If I were still playing, and was making reasonable progress in normal modes, I'd probably skip grinding LFR for gear upgrades. If the whole zone was available on day 1 though, I'd probably be ostracized for not doing it.
    Possibly. I'm not convinced of that. The reality is that for most guilds 6 weeks probably isn't enough to get through the entire instance. Even for guilds that do manage this they aren't likely to have all their raiders decked out in full normal gear or anywhere near that so the boost from lfr still helps. Even if it were true that the gating is really so people don't feel compelled then I would still argue that theirs nothing stopping Blizzard from releasing even just one wing, or just one boss hell. It's really a minor thing but it makes all the difference for someone running lfr. It gives them something to look forward to on patch day.

    I'm not asking for all of it on day one honest. I recognize it would be pretty shitty for you guys doing normals to have to also run lfr. Well alright I take that back. I don't think it would be shitty. I think to an extent it would be like wotlk where there were 25 and 10 man raids. I understand that was a pain in the ass for some of you guys though so alright no full raid on patch day. I've accepted that. Why can't I get a taste though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    Where were you when raids like SWP and ICC were gated
    In those raids on the days they came out. At the time I was raiding and I ran with 25 man pugs on the weekends. I'd love to be in the raid this week. As an lfr raider it's not going to happen for me.
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  8. #388
    Quote Originally Posted by mosely View Post
    People have been leaving, even without your antagonism. Do you enjoy empty servers?
    He speaks the truth though. People seem to expect the game to become a different game.

  9. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    so why do you play this game? didn't you know we quest over and over again for 8 years now?, or that we raid over and over again for 8 years now? or that we pvp over and over again? WTF did you people expect, new coming of christ or something?
    I can tell you right now, 5.3 and 5.4 will be about the same, like it or leave it.
    Roleplaying. I solely play World of Warcraft because of friends and roleplay.

    I already know the future patches will probably be the same all over again, but that just makes me sad. Not sad for myself, but for what Blizzard actually could create with this game, but giving the same things over and over must be really, really stale for them as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paulosio View Post
    He speaks the truth though. People seem to expect the game to become a different game.
    It's not about making the game into something completely different, but it's time to actually do something with it instead of giving out the same stale content over, and over again. Blizzard got so much money, and they had so many wild ideas in the past.

    If we talk about the April Fools jokes they always create each year, to me, that seems to be something Blizzard actually wants to do, but they scrap it all the time.

    Except Pandaren.
    Last edited by Klavier Gavin; 2013-03-07 at 04:10 PM.

  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by rional View Post
    you know i was expecting something different other then a epic daily grind from the new thunder isle...

    i just dont think blizzard really get its... daily grind makes the game so boring... i mean 5 valor points a quest isnt really doing it for me..

    maybe 15-20 valor per quest.. but not 5..

    anyone else think so? and a lack of a lfr.. i mean if it isnt ready now.. no chance lfr is gonna be ready by next week either
    I don't get it.

    LFR is done and shipped, we just have to wait a week to unlock it.

    As for "the daily grind", I'm not sure what you're looking for. Would you rather have a quest chain that can only be done once before you go back to running around in circles in Ogrimmar/SW?

    In addition to a raid, there is a new scenario, new rare spawns, summoning events you can participate in...

    Cataclysm was an absolute disaster for max leveled characters because there was nothing to do. Now that there is stuff to do, the game is still, "so boring"?

    If you can't find interest in new content THREE DAYS after it is released, perhaps it's time to unsub and go find something else to keep you busy.

  11. #391
    Dogs bark.

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    Players complain about new WoW patches.

    We get it... Either unsub and enjoy life or at least make an interesting forum thread.
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  12. #392
    Quote Originally Posted by Paulosio View Post
    He speaks the truth though. People seem to expect the game to become a different game.
    Quite the opposite.

    This game has turned form a dungeon crawling game we loved to a daily farming crap we dont. We want our game back, we want our dungeons, we want to be HEROES, not just make stupid pointless tasks.

    You people seems to be talking like WoW has had it focus on dailies since Vanilla, which is wrong. Daily focus came in MoP, and to do so they destroyed the core of the game, which always was dungeoning.

    We want our dungeon based game again.

  13. #393
    The specific issue with dungeons, is that they obselete all content that rewards gear weaker than the gear it contains. If they added new dungeons with 492 gear, it would make all 5.0 raids pointless, since you can run a dungeon via the finder without restraint. Compared to raids where you are limited to 1 a week. They wanted to avoid thiss issue so they simply didnt add dungeons this time around, I'd like to see new ones, but they have to give them a proper place.

  14. #394
    I couldn't agree less with the title of this thread. This patch is awesome and the best one since the Firelands one which held the title of best ever in my book. The dailies are great and like 4.2, it's a great time to be a Hunter. LFR being gated makes perfect sense to me and doesn't bother me in the slightest.

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    I am actually pretty happy, being able to do dailies and really get something from them again, since I got exalted with all other MoP factions.

  16. #396
    Not seeing the dailies as fun content. And LFR is looking dicey. If LFR ends up being broken this tier, will likely let my sub drop.
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  17. #397
    What happened with Zandalari dungeons from 4.2? Some people used it to gear up for that tier of raid, others face smashed on them and just geared up by getting recipies in firelands and then once the end times gated dungeons came out whenever someone random qeued up and got a Zandalari dungeon they would just leave and take the 30 min lock out because they didn't want to deal with it.

    This is the best process, use the last tier of lfr for gearing up (which you can do faster due to cheap valor gear, increased drop rate and Thunder Isle dropping greater coins for old lfr like rain, I collected 12 in 2 days) to lead you to the new lfr which can lead you into raid worthy gear. The old heroics now give valor and rep along with scenarios.

    And I love people who say dailies are repetetive yet sleep walk through heroic dungeons over and over again for valor because they don't need any of the gear that drops in them. What are you doing differently than dailies? You kill X enemies, you kill a boss (which now takes about 13-30 seconds) and then you rinse and repeat 2 to 3 more times. Maybe 4 times in certain dungeons. Oh you have a group dynamic? So invite a few people into a group and do the dailies, now you have a group dynamic AND you get the dailies done faster since everyones goals are shared.

  18. #398
    New rule, QQ world doesn't open until at least 10% of the content is experienced.

    Give me a break. Scratched the surface of this patch and already angry at it, in the business world you would fall under the term 'detractor'. Someone who cant be happy regardless of any services provided.

  19. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    TBC had more dungeons from launch. Wrath and Cata never launched two major patches without a new dungeon.

    I dont go on lie every patch should have a new dungeons, the problem is that we have got TWO major patches without new dungeons already. And in BOTH of those patches they gave us dailies.

    So i think if they didnt have enough time for all in this patch, they should have given us new deungons and NOT dailies, with the new dungeons dropping items of the same ilvl that dailies are giving us in 5.2 (496) because we already got dailies in 5.1, this patch was the dungeons turn.
    We've also gotten those two major patches in the same time it took us to get one patch in Wrath or Cata. The expansion has only been out 6 months. Again, previous expansions went FAR longer without providing any dungeon content at all, yet not only did everyone survive but I do not recall a large amount of complaints. Out of 23 major patches since launch (not counting expansion release patches) only 7 patches have added any dungeon content in the history of the game. Granted, TBC had more dungeons at launch, but they were all available at launch, could only be run once per day, and we got nothing new for 15 months. Wrath had a few more than MoP at launch, but again they could only be run once per day until patch 3.3. It was 10 months from the start of Wrath until we got our first new dungeon, and when we did, that dungeon consisted of a single room.

    Meanwhile almost every patch to date has added questing content of some form.

    You can keep trying to argue that dungeons are such a core facet of the game that we can't go more than two patches without one, but the facts of how the game has been developed thus far do not support your position in any way. It may be that much of an important feature for you. But dungeons have in no way ever been the primary focus of development, and expecting them to be now is beyond wishful thinking.

    Edit: Don't get me wrong. I respect that you and many other feel that emphasis should be put on dungeons instead of other types of content. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. What I object to is using the idea that dungeons have always been the primary focus of the game and that Blizzard has suddenly turned their back on that philosophy, when in fact that is in no way true. They are simply emphasizing the dailies more this expansion, making them a larger part of the game than they have been previously. Which apparently upsets some people an excessive amount.
    Last edited by Gurbz; 2013-03-07 at 05:04 PM.
    All this complaining is simply further proof that Blizzard could send each and every player a real-life wish-granting flying unicorn carrying a solid gold plate of chocolate chip cookies wrapped in hundred dollar bills, and someone would whine that Blizzard sucks for not letting them choose oatmeal raisin.
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  20. #400
    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    Quite the opposite.

    This game has turned form a dungeon crawling game we loved to a daily farming crap we dont. We want our game back, we want our dungeons, we want to be HEROES, not just make stupid pointless tasks.

    You people seems to be talking like WoW has had it focus on dailies since Vanilla, which is wrong. Daily focus came in MoP, and to do so they destroyed the core of the game, which always was dungeoning.

    We want our dungeon based game again.
    No thanks. Dungeon crawling in vanilla was a chore and much more time consuming than doing dailies. I will take 30 minutes of dailies any day over doing a 3 hour BRD run.

    The only thing I'm disappointed on is that there were no new 5 mans but I assume that they will add some in patch 5.3 then another raid (probably the last one) in 5.4

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