1. #2901
    I think this haste debate is getting a bit too deep. Are people really thinking of reforging before every single fight?

    Of course, haste is the only thing to consider reforging out of / into on a semi-regular basis. This is because it's the only one that actually affects playstyle (you adjust how many chaos bolts you can cast during procs) and can end up making certain bits of certain fights easier. On the other hand, because of the playstyle change it's probably better to keep haste as your most static stat, because you get into habits of knowing how long a cast will take, and it can bite you on the bum if you're not used to your haste rating and you miss a big CB.

    Personally I've just decided to settle on 8100 haste for when I offspec demo. Mastery is overall the best stat for the class so I gem / reforge extra hit into mastery. Reforging into / out of crit is unnecessary.

    AFAIK the only reason people reforge completely out of haste is because they don't like an LMG proc / heroism causing their incinerate to be a shorter cast than the GCD, which is fair enough. It really is just preference.

  2. #2902
    Quote Originally Posted by Toonic View Post
    Well, if all stats are FAIRLY close to each other. Couldn't someone go something like.. For example. Mastery > Haste > Crit. Allowing us to still be good in AoE fights while still giving us a decent damage increase in Single Target? Or is Crit highly valued over Mastery for Single Target and AoE?
    well it doesnt really matter which stat you're stacking after mastery, reforge/gem anyway you'd like, you stat values will change depending on gear, atleast they do for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olorout View Post

    AFAIK the only reason people reforge completely out of haste is because they don't like an LMG proc / heroism causing their incinerate to be a shorter cast than the GCD, which is fair enough. It really is just preference.
    it is like that for me, i dont like too much haste coz even with 4,5k haste with backdraft and LMG up my incinerates just barely goes below the gcd which is fine, played a very heavy haste build for destro once, and while i liked the speed of it, having your incinerates at 0,68 sec at times really felt like i was loosing out on a lot dps. personally i would never go above the 10Kish breakpoint for immolate for destro.

  3. #2903
    Quote Originally Posted by ace777 View Post
    I have been reading the last 15 posts here on optimal reforges??

    So Is it this ??

    1. Pure Single Target ? H>C>M
    2. 2-4 ? H>C=M
    3. Cleave? M>C=H

    Can someone clarify this for me please?? because i have been only rolling on mastrey gear the last one month and the only gear i have is mastrey/hit Mastrey/haste and some M/C
    it really does not matter tbh, thats what you should have gathered from the last few posts

  4. #2904
    Whats the best way to use the 4 set? Should you try and dump an ember on 3 embers instead of 3.5/3.7 instead? Is it worth recasting immolate with the crit buff to overwite a more powerful one without?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opeth69 View Post
    Whats the best way to use the 4 set? Should you try and dump an ember on 3 embers instead of 3.5/3.7 instead? Is it worth recasting immolate with the crit buff to overwite a more powerful one without?
    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    Use it first and foremost for maintaining high-crit Immolates. Only use it for CBolt if you will otherwise have to cast an unbuffed CBolt and you don't have any Immos to apply anywhere.
    Only had to look back 2 pages before I found a response. Question has been asked like 100 times already. Use the search feature next time please. inb4 someone asks what the destro stat priority is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidsteel View Post
    Only had to look back 2 pages before I found a response. Question has been asked like 100 times already. Use the search feature next time please. inb4 someone asks what the destro stat priority is.
    well, they would be in trouble if they did ask about destro's stat prio on the last few pages as ppl claim different things.

  7. #2907
    Stuff like how to use 4 set is probably worth putting on the OP so you don't have people constantly asking in the thread if it really bothers you
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  8. #2908
    Grats @Brusalk on H Garrosh!

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    would agree that OP should be updated (fel flame still best filer?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sster View Post
    would agree that OP should be updated (fel flame still best filer?)
    No. Go read the OP. I think it's like the fourth line down. This question was updated weeks ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    This is no longer true!(The optimal rotation involves only using Incinerate under Backdraft or Hero/Haste Procs. Fill with Fel Flame otherwise.)
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  12. #2912
    Gratz on Garrosh Brusalk! Too bad you guys lost US 1st 10 by a 2 hours in such a long race

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariol View Post
    Gratz on Garrosh Brusalk! Too bad you guys lost US 1st 10 by a 2 hours in such a long race
    Thanks

    But yeah, that's what we get for raiding (on average) less than our normal raid schedule the last few weeks. Just a side effect of not being fully hardcore and various raiders (myself included) having RL scheduling conflicts plus the loss of a member of our raiding core week 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    Thanks

    But yeah, that's what we get for raiding (on average) less than our normal raid schedule the last few weeks. Just a side effect of not being fully hardcore and various raiders (myself included) having RL scheduling conflicts plus the loss of a member of our raiding core week 2.
    Got a video of the kill coming soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjaguar View Post
    Stuff like how to use 4 set is probably worth putting on the OP so you don't have people constantly asking in the thread if it really bothers you
    Soon™.

    I have midterms this week/last week, so I'll have time this weekend to update it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OokingDooker View Post
    Got a video of the kill coming soon?
    Yep. Tonight prolly.

  16. #2916
    Quote Originally Posted by sster View Post
    would agree that OP should be updated (fel flame still best filer?)
    it also says "this is no longer true"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    Thanks

    But yeah, that's what we get for raiding (on average) less than our normal raid schedule the last few weeks. Just a side effect of not being fully hardcore and various raiders (myself included) having RL scheduling conflicts plus the loss of a member of our raiding core week 2.
    To be fair, everyone had roster issues this tier and scheduling conflicts. Was a pretty piss-poor tier for US 10m guilds from what I hear. But definitely a big Grats!
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  18. #2918
    Which spec do you guys recommend for Paragons? (both H and normal) I was thinking Demo or Destro since Affliction has no type of single target gain from multiple mobs like the other 2 specs do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varren View Post
    Which spec do you guys recommend for Paragons? (both H and normal) I was thinking Demo or Destro since Affliction has no type of single target gain from multiple mobs like the other 2 specs do.
    I like Destro here, but affliction can multidot with Unstable Affliction for higher uptime on Empowered Grasp (2-set).

    The amount of movement involved lends itself to KJC Destro, IMO.

  20. #2920
    the on demand burst of destro is nice for amber encasing atleast on normal and you'll get a lot of embers bcoz you can use RoF a lot.

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