1. #3041
    Quote Originally Posted by Soulzar View Post
    chances are if you are having trouble staying alive, others in your raid are already dead.
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  2. #3042
    Quote Originally Posted by weakdots View Post
    anyone try out a haste=crit>mastery build? thinking about trying it for hgarrosh attempts
    I ran Mastery>Haste>Crit for HGarrosh and felt it worked pretty well. (Inc. solo'ing engineers in p1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichalz View Post
    What did your Malkorok build look like tonight, Brusalk? Forgive me for assuming, but was it more crit-heavy than usual?
    Nope. I got H Bindings finally, and was running Mastery>Haste>Crit.

    I actually ended up losing out on a lot of damage because my other raid members were burning the oozes down too fast for me to Havoc every one :P

  3. #3043
    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    I actually ended up losing out on a lot of damage because my other raid members were burning the oozes down too fast for me to Havoc every one :P
    Story of my life this tier. It sucks having at least a FEW decent players in guild.

  4. #3044
    It is quite silly how much a dps difference it makes training your fellow dps to swap back to the boss once it hits 20%. I have simply given up on telling them to stop killing the adds and let me havoc/sb them all as its a overall raid dps increase to do so.

  5. #3045
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatelocker View Post
    It is quite silly how much a dps difference it makes training your fellow dps to swap back to the boss once it hits 20%. I have simply given up on telling them to stop killing the adds and let me havoc/sb them all as its a overall raid dps increase to do so.
    lol. During Sha of Pride progression I made a plea for dps to leave Reflections up and let the tanks passively cleave them down. "RoF and F&B Immo on those guys will let me chain cast CB's into boss and greatly increase my boss dmg"

    Next pull...

    RAWR BLADESTORM.. RAWR FAN OF KNIVES

    So now I just toggle on F&B and melt face lol

    I guess it really is a hard sell to say "Lower your DPS because it increases mine "

  6. #3046
    Quote Originally Posted by Soulzar View Post
    I guess it really is a hard sell to say "Lower your DPS because it increases mine "
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    I dream about our ele to sitting on dark shaman so I can get the perfect parse!

  7. #3047
    Quote Originally Posted by rijn dael View Post
    It is good to have a dream!

    I dream about our ele to sitting on dark shaman so I can get the perfect parse!
    I just looked at your gear. It is almost exactly the same as mine. (including 2 terrible rings)

  8. #3048
    Parsing doesn't really matter though in the end as long as boss dies without too much struggle IMHO. I used to parse all the time, but it requires perfect setups, and people to leave shit alone now, so its usually more hassle than it is worth.

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  9. #3049
    Quote Originally Posted by Mazda View Post
    I just looked at your gear. It is almost exactly the same as mine. (including 2 terrible rings)
    My evil twin!
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  10. #3050
    Quote Originally Posted by weakdots View Post
    anyone try out a haste=crit>mastery build? thinking about trying it for hgarrosh attempts
    You're still able to game a lot of embers on HGarrosh if the person kiting the adds in P2/3 is OK with some Immolate's ticking on the adds as they run by for extra embers (that's the only reason I went up to the 10125 hate Immolate tick to get a few more embers for boss damage). Otherwise I think if you dumped everything into haste and crit and lost your mastery it would be pretty bad.

  11. #3051
    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    I actually ended up losing out on a lot of damage because my other raid members were burning the oozes down too fast for me to Havoc every one :P
    Ah, just curious. I assumed a high-crit build because I didn't see much CB dot clipping. As for the oozes, I only really get to Havoc them every other ooze.

    Oh, and I think it goes without saying, but nice parse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulzar View Post
    lol. During Sha of Pride progression I made a plea for dps to leave Reflections up and let the tanks passively cleave them down. "RoF and F&B Immo on those guys will let me chain cast CB's into boss and greatly increase my boss dmg"

    Next pull...

    RAWR BLADESTORM.. RAWR FAN OF KNIVES

    So now I just toggle on F&B and melt face lol

    I guess it really is a hard sell to say "Lower your DPS because it increases mine "
    Well, the "Let the tank cleave them down" is how we did it for the first few weeks, and still do it the same way to a slightly lesser extent. It's cool having big numbers, but at the end of the day I'd rather see the boss die faster. If the tank can cleave them down during progression, I always say to just let the tank do it so everyone can keep beating up the boss single target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woz View Post
    You're still able to game a lot of embers on HGarrosh if the person kiting the adds in P2/3 is OK with some Immolate's ticking on the adds as they run by for extra embers (that's the only reason I went up to the 10125 hate Immolate tick to get a few more embers for boss damage). Otherwise I think if you dumped everything into haste and crit and lost your mastery it would be pretty bad.
    No reason to kite adds on 10 man, but yeah you're pretty much shifting all your damage away from chaos bolt and shadowburn into generators which is a bad idea - especially since you will cap incinerate GCD fairly quickly if you stack haste. For Garrosh I have found Mastery > Haste > Crit to be the most successful as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by ichalz View Post
    Ah, just curious. I assumed a high-crit build because I didn't see much CB dot clipping. As for the oozes, I only really get to Havoc them every other ooze.

    Oh, and I think it goes without saying, but nice parse!
    He wasn't stacking crit, he was stacking RPPM. Dat amount of toxic power procs.

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    Quick question: you best way to use 4pc proc? Immolate?

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    ignore it and spam incinerate. Both 2 and 4pc are not worth refreshing immolate on their own (just 15% more embers and you could be overwriting a dot that has a legendary meta proc in it, thus generating *less* embers) and also CB doesn't benefit too much. Just be happy about your increased ember generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berthold View Post
    ignore it and spam incinerate. Both 2 and 4pc are not worth refreshing immolate on their own (just 15% more embers and you could be overwriting a dot that has a legendary meta proc in it, thus generating *less* embers) and also CB doesn't benefit too much. Just be happy about your increased ember generation.
    It's not worth even if i refresh i weak immolate?

  16. #3056
    depends on the remaining time of the dot. If you can benefit from pandemic and the buff is not powered via trinket procs / LMG then refresh, otherwise I'd be reluctant to do so.

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    I'll give it a try. I don't know if i'll be able to notice any difference

  18. #3058
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorthan View Post
    Quick question: you best way to use 4pc proc? Immolate?
    I have a difference of opinion with Berthold on this one.

    You should aim to keep (single-target) a 4pc-buffed Immo up on the boss full time. If you have time to, and you think you'll cap before you can get a trinket-buffed CBolt out, you can both CBolt and Immo in one proc.

    If there's multiple targets alive your #1 priority is to get as many 4pc-buffed Immos out as you can on targets that will live for most of it's duration.

  19. #3059
    Track your embers and as you fire off your incinerate on 2.9 you should start casting chaos bolt. It'll proc before the cast is finished. Then immolate. Both of them in with plenty of time to spare. Single-target ofc

    I wouldn't really advocate casting a chaos bolt if 4pc procs on 1 ember or 2 embers though. Just immolate then back to normal. There's also variables with how to use it on the opener - with a haste buff you can fit in 2 chaos bolts (which will clip), or you can fit in one and then cast your second immolate for a big-ticking DoT.

    It's the most interesting of all the tier-piece procs imo. It really makes the relatively simple "rotation" (we don't really have a rotation, I know) of destruction more interesting.
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  20. #3060
    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    I have a difference of opinion with Berthold on this one.

    You should aim to keep (single-target) a 4pc-buffed Immo up on the boss full time. If you have time to, and you think you'll cap before you can get a trinket-buffed CBolt out, you can both CBolt and Immo in one proc.

    If there's multiple targets alive your #1 priority is to get as many 4pc-buffed Immos out as you can on targets that will live for most of it's duration.
    The proc is 10 seconds, no? Imo, try to conflag before the Immo, as you can try to game the 2 piece proc that way and still get a CB out.

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