So yes in practice in 'ToT' because of the nature of the fights Crit is probably as strong (stronger?) on the majority of encounters and as the numbers i have posted above show they dont really lack on the low ember fights either.
True, if you play different specs.
I have read back a few pages and haven't seen many crit related topics, only mentions of the benefit from haste. I thought I would add in my experience from low haste and high crit. It was not meant as a "only way to play" post, far from it, I in fact am looking to play with higher haste (around 8k) and wanted to weigh up the differences for both, my reason for posting. Again I realise how my post came across and apologize.
As you stated the main differences are in the "pure" single target fights Jinrohk, Durumu ect Crit builds are weaker than haste builds because of the lack of mobs to generate embers through aoe rotation and the lack of options for cleaving and high havoc hits. High crit builds excel in the other extreme fights such as tortos HC Primordius ect, due to the great havocd chances and endless embers. But where do we go mid way? The fights where there are phases of both, Twin consorts for example has a lovely 20% below havoc + shadowburn phase at the end which makes high numbers easy with high crit, but the endless slog of ember starvation from the build in the first phases of the fight.
Do we reforge and regem every fight for highest dps, or do we play an OS. If OS is the answer is demo our only choice?
Affliction for single target fights and destro for cleaves is the way I want to play but is that possible, does going for the first haste breakpoint in affli still make destro good in cleave situations playing with 8k haste?
On fights where you have some parts with single target, and some with AoE, I will go for more damage in whatever part of the fight needs damage done. I go a full mastery build on Lei Shen even when it's largely a single target fight, because the ball damage matters way more than boss damage. On other fights, like Twin Consorts, I will go full Haste/Crit as, while there's adds to AoE, single target damage is more important.
For ranking you'll do more overall damage with improving your cleaving/AoE. But on progression ranking hardly matters.
Sorry to jump in on your discussion, but I had a couple of doubts about lei shen in heroic. My guild is depending on me to kill the orbs fast, I'm supposed to be the top damage on them. So far I've been playing demo there, and I haven't been exactly doing bad with it, but looking at lei shen kill logs, destro seems to outperform demo on the orbs, and given that I don't even have UVLS, I thought I might give destro a shot.
One of the questions I was gonna ask you already answered, which is going full mastery (even with goSup right?).
The other one is, should I bother with the 4 piece tier? I have the chance of using hc tf gloves from tortos and hc tf chest from ji-kun.
I would normally simulate my char to answer this questions myself, but I don't have enough simcraft knowledge to recreate lei shen conditions, which are ofc different from single target, and I didn't want my results to be skewed.
I don't bother using the 4pc partially because I still don't have 4 pieces of Heroic tier, and also because 2 HC TF pieces with Mastery on them will be better than the set bonus by far.
Should I go with pure intellect gems on red sockets? Looking at destro locks in top guilds they seem to go with mas/int gems instead.
Run Simcraft and check stat weights. If 2 * Mastery > Int, then go with Mastery gems. If not, stick with Int gems.
Going to help out my guild on raden next week with my alt lock, was told destro is optimal due to anima orb damage. What sort of gearing would be best for this, atm im playing demo/aff with 9778 haste then all rest mastery, would this work fine for raden, also how does sac vs service/sup work out for this fight?
Also trinket wise I have heroic breath UVLS and normal Wooshoo, Ive been messing around with UVLS and it seems hard to get much more than a CB off inside the proc, would putting up immolate be better for 100% crit ember generation?
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Hi there. i'm not in a heroic situation at all with my warlock. he is an alt, doing lfr. but i want to play a good as possible and i have some question about ilvl and the value of haste.
first of all, here is the army link
as you can see i have a raid finder headpiece and a raidfinder chestpiece but also a hc sz headpiece and chest. but with lesser haste and i would miss the 2 piece bonus. so is there any value how i can say if i take the higher ilvl over haste or a 2 piece bonus.
Been reading these forums for a while just wanted to say a big thanks to Brusalk and Evralia for all the tips guides and willingness to share there xp! Hope you guys find the time in 5.4!
this weeks upcoming farm want to play around with destro, have 543 versions of wush,uvls,breath,chayes. whats the best combo right now? will be using a haste=mastery build