[5.4] Brusalk's Destruction Warlock guide

[Valq]

I find Destruction to be very good on Siegecrafter, we're 25M and use the mine strategy (as I'm sure most guilds do) and Destruction is better suited for dealing with the mines. Again, I can't really speak for 10M, but with the gear available Affliction (in it's very broken state) beats Destruction on nearly every 25M encounter.

I'd say you're only right if your guild struggles with mines, or you don't have ele shamans and shadow priests, cause otherwise playing affliction and soulswapping dots onto mines to extend duration(s) of them gives you much much more boss damage than you can push out with destro, especially with the movement in the fight. Not trying to say destro is bad, but affliction is better if your guild can manage killing mines easily and can kill the boss in any semi-decent time.

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Is it worth it reacting(idling for a second, using Twilight Ward etc.) to the ICD at all? I prefer Mastery>Haste playstyle over Mastery>Crit and often find myself not getting 4p procs every ember even if the only thing currently benefitting from a haste and/or crit proc is my Immolate. Sometimes I fill up an ember so fast that the ICD doesn't finish even when I casted a CB during the last proc, should I idle? Lower my haste?

Another question: how strong is the LMG proc compared to the 4piece for ember generation from Immolate?

There's a 10 second ICD on the 4p, IE, no matter how much haste you lose, you'll end up filling an ember without gaining the 4p proc after every one you gain, since you're going to dump the haste into crit, a crit = double ember regen, you know where I'm going to. The 4p proc is more than likely stronger than the LMG proc in terms of ember regen, that being said, if your LMG procs, you will 100% be able to get a 4p proc within it, unless you're casting chaos bolts due to a trinket procing at the same time.

[Gravityx]

4Set(helm, chest, gloves legs)
Off Set Shoulders from norushen
Norushen Neck
Legendary Cloak
Spoils Bracers
IJ Waist
galakras Boots
Thok + Klaxxi Rings
Immerseus + Dark Shamans/Garrosh Trinkets
spoils wand/garrosh offhand


im fairly sure this is the bis list , but it really comes down to what you prefer as the value of haste and crit is about equal where haste edges out on aoe and crit on single target from what ive been told, anything that maximizes the amount of mastery you have is the way to go.

Yeah this is what I thought as well. Except I do currently have the HWF shoulders from protectors, but I'm beginning to think with the upgrades that the hit will be too much (I guess I could always gem the int + mastery gems instead of exp + mastery, but I'm not sure how much that affects dps?).

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Yeah this is what I thought as well. Except I do currently have the HWF shoulders from protectors, but I'm beginning to think with the upgrades that the hit will be too much (I guess I could always gem the int + mastery gems instead of exp + mastery, but I'm not sure how much that affects dps?).

Extremely minor differences. The main thing is you have a HCWF offpiece in the correct slot.

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edit: also almara pretty sure galakras boots aren't bis because while they do have haste/mastery on them where as toxic tornado treads are crit/mastery the toxic treads have a little over 100 mastery more on them even at 4/4

yes, but the galakras boots have a yellow socket where you can put a 320 matery gem into it and the shamans pair only got a blue socket, so you actually end up getting 60 more mastery from it and equal version of them, you'll end up with more mastery using the galakras boots. if you compare hc wf versions of them, you'd end up with 21 more mastery and over 200 more haste than crit(assuming you go after the socket bonus ofc, different factors do come into play) more than enough to make the galakras boots superior especially when you consider that crit and haste is virtually equal.

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Don't know why I'm sharing this with you guys but there is a improvement to destructions opener that I found, you can see it my Garrosh video here.

TL;DR use RoF 4.5 seconds before the pull. Be careful because it might aggro the boss (haven't checked though).

[Glurp]

I don't think 1 free tick of RoF is something anyone cares about. Not to mention the fact that it only works on a few fights this tier.

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I don't think 1 free tick of RoF is something anyone cares about. Not to mention the fact that it only works on a few fights this tier.

It's more about the embers/trinket procs than it's actual damage. If timed right it can be 3 ticks to.

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anything extra you can get for free is worth it if it helps trigger that annoying amp trinket on a more regular basis coz that trink has such an unreliable proc its not even funny.

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4Set(helm, chest, gloves legs)
Off Set Shoulders from norushen
Norushen Neck
Legendary Cloak
Spoils Bracers
IJ Waist
galakras Boots
Thok + Klaxxi Rings
Immerseus + Dark Shamans/Garrosh Trinkets
spoils wand/garrosh offhand


im fairly sure this is the bis list , but it really comes down to what you prefer as the value of haste and crit is about equal where haste edges out on aoe and crit on single target from what ive been told, anything that maximizes the amount of mastery you have is the way to go.

It's about the same compared to mine. Except I favor haste, where you favor crit.
Imho haste just “feels“ better, as it fastens your gameplay. Apart from that mastery/haste is better if you want to play other specs from time to time.

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well, i wouldnt exactly say i favor crit but the list is a bit more crit heavy than haste but you'll still have a fair amount of haste, sadly i cant get a wf hc version of the garrosh offhand or wand and have to settle for a hc wf versions of the IJ offhand and nazgrim sword so i do end up with quite a lot of haste as well currently sitting on 10,7k haste and as you say, it does have the advantage of being able to freely switch between specs, change a couple of items and have the haste breakpoints for afflic without needing to reforge. the value between crit and haste is certainly close enough that it comes down to preference what you take.

[Turturin the Warlock]

4Set(helm, chest, gloves legs)
Off Set Shoulders from norushen
Norushen Neck
Legendary Cloak
Spoils Bracers
IJ Waist
galakras Boots
Thok + Klaxxi Rings
Immerseus + Dark Shamans/Garrosh Trinkets
spoils wand/garrosh offhand


im fairly sure this is the bis list , but it really comes down to what you prefer as the value of haste and crit is about equal where haste edges out on aoe and crit on single target from what ive been told, anything that maximizes the amount of mastery you have is the way to go.

Both the HWF shoulders off protectors and the boots off shaman have over 100 mastery more each (before upgrades, which increase the differential) than the pieces you listed. The protector shoulders have 2x blue gemslots instead of 1red and 1 blue. the boots have a blue gemslot while the galakras one's have a yellow, but the bonus is only 60 hit and not worth going for.

Remember that in BiS gear EVERY piece has mastery on it, and you will easily hit cap anyway, so trading that 60 hit for a full mastery gem is a no-brainer as any reforged hit only becomes haste or crit anyway.

TLDR: The piece with the most mastery will be BiS for destro, the rest of the total stats you have (hit + haste + crit + expertise) is just a reforging excercise.

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well if you get hitcapped so easily anyway, then the hit on the protector shoulders is sort of a waste, arent they? you also need to ask your self how much of that hit can you reforge out of if your over hitcap but i can see your point with the boots tho, but it comes down to what you prefer imo, some ppl prefer the haste over the crit.

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In the end it's not a topic worth fighting for, as the DPS differences after reforging propably are somewhere beneath or around 1%

[Turturin the Warlock]

In the end it's not a topic worth fighting for, as the DPS differences after reforging propably are somewhere beneath or around 1%

oh for sure, not fighting though, just discussing .

@Almara, i actually have the protectors shoulders and shaman boots. I also have the HWF norushen bracers (which have Hit and a tad less mastery) instead of the Spoils bracers. Even with an extra piece with hit on it I'm still able to reforge off enough hit to stay right at hit cap even with 2x haste + hit gems in the shoulders. As Melian points out it's not a big deal overall, but i just think someone posted that rime-rift were BiS at start of the tier out of fear of the hit, but I've found in practice that isn't a problem.

As a secondary i also prefer haste over hit, even with the shaman boots i end up about 12k-ish haste and 5k-ish crit, which feels ok to me (maybe slightly too heavy on haste if anything)

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you're right, it isnt really going to be a big deal overall, the dps difference isnt going to be big enough to make any noticable difference.

[Paarthurnax]

Are ilvl upgrades like a HWF Ashflare Pendant better then H Untainted Guardian's Chain? or HWF Juggernaut's Power Core vs H Revelations of Y'Shaarj?

[Azantrox]

Quick question if I may. Is Burning Primal still ahead of Sinister atm?

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Quick question if I may. Is Burning Primal still ahead of Sinister atm?

I believe it is the other way around, though they are pretty close.

I ran with burning primal for a couple weeks when I was trying to maximise chaos bolt damage, and overall DPS was unaffected.

[Azantrox]

I believe it is the other way around, though they are pretty close.

I ran with burning primal for a couple weeks when I was trying to maximise chaos bolt damage, and overall DPS was unaffected.

Alright cheers!

[Malvanis]

anything extra you can get for free is worth it if it helps trigger that annoying amp trinket on a more regular basis coz that trink has such an unreliable proc its not even funny.

I'm fairly sure that RoF only procs RPPMs as PBI procs on casts and the actual cast of RoF isnt hostile.