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  1. #1001
    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    Dave Kosak said that in an interview on the german site buffed.
    http://www.buffed.de/World-of-Warcra...Kosak-1059788/

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    No additional 5-man-dungeons planned, challenge-scenarios and Shaohao-lore - Interview with Lead Quest Designer Dave Kosak

    Q: Do you even plan additional 5-mam dungeons for the rest of the patches of MoP?
    A: No plans regarding that. There'll be more scenarios and you'll still be able to use the LFR tool for the previous tier of raiding. At the moment, we don't plan to release new dungeons.


    I feared as much when they said that additional 5-mans don't fit the current raiding model.
    When I read that answer it really shocked me... It is a very bad news of course!

    Maybe the 5-man dungeons are not a necessity at this point in the expansion, but yet they added something new... they were a bonus content which added diversity to WoW...

    I'll miss them so greatly, hopefully Blizzard thinks in ALL types of players, and not just in the same as always...

    Blizzard, you must rectify! Add at least 3 new 5-man dungeons please! Many people will thank you.


  2. #1002
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbotef View Post
    This is all personal opinion, bro, and I know for a fact you wouldn't even be able to back most of it up. Been along for the WoW ride myself since Jan 2005, and let me tell you that the community has always been shit even before cross realm systems were added in. I really wish you and other people would stop trying to play that card constantly.
    True the WoW community was never the model of a friendly, cooperative society but it was better than it has become in recent years. Assholes exist, even in all of our RL neighborhoods. The difference is an asshole in your neighborhood can't throw feces at your car and then just disappear, there are consequences for those actions. Cross realm grouping has had little to any consequences for trolling/griefing which makes a less enjoyable experience grouping and creates a jaded playerbase.

    I would also add that I know significantly less people on my server now, basically just my guild and a few other old players, compared to say TBC. It's hard to meet different players when you never group with them. And I can't blame the players since it's so much easier to click a button and do whatever than to actively look for a decent group for 15+ min.
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    You should have no expectations for the next expansion IMO...

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    http://www.twitch.tv/preachlfw/b/376908806

    An interesting video on the topic, you should watch it
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  4. #1004
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbotef View Post
    The setting, story, challenge modes, and raids (well, except HoF) are all excellent IMO. Its the gating VP gear behind a rep (LOL, gotta work twice to get that item, LOL) among other things (and not even reducing the old VP to JP) that has be throwing a shit fit. That and no flying for my alts for ease of access.
    The setting and the story got /facepalm for me walking my 4th or 5th alt through 85-90. By #10...
    Agree with you on the VP gating. With all the various ways to gain Valor...it's nice to be able to choose what you want to do to earn. Stinks that you "have" to grind rep to spend it.
    I like 5 mans for the simple reason that...you can gather up some friends/guildies and run em. LFR is just mind numbing idiocy...with people who aren't playing the class they queue...aren't playing at all, just coat tailing...or refuse to work as a group...or just there to do anti-social stuff for their amusement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar View Post
    That's a problem with the players, not with the system itself. Would you prefer they remove the "easy" content from the game so that players are forced to either run the "hard" content or have nothing at all to do?



    Apparently you weren't around when Barrens chat was at its peak or when Blizzard tried the Looking For Group Channel experiment. Both were significantly worse than anything you encounter in a cross-realm chat. Also, people were NEVER held accountable for their actions due to a combination of server apathy and short-term memory.

    In regards to your first comment, the players are a result of the system, that would be like saying peoples actions aren't delegated by societies systems, as for your second comment, yes I was around for all of that and no it isn't worse than cross-realm chat, yeah Barrens was bad no doubt but it has gotten rampantly worse and not just confined to 1 zone.

  6. #1006
    I think they should develop at least one new set of post-release 5 mans in expansions. They could do something like Frozen Halls on their own queue and/or restrict drops to wrists and minor upgrades. From what I remember, most people were not going straight into ICC from Frozen Halls gear, they used badges in combination with TotC - they still had to run a raid. It was much different from the CoT 5 mans in Cata.

    As much as I like LFR I don't see it as a replacement for new 5 mans. You can have new dungeons without killing the viability of old raids.

  7. #1007
    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    In regards to your first comment, the players are a result of the system, that would be like saying peoples actions aren't delegated by societies systems, as for your second comment, yes I was around for all of that and no it isn't worse than cross-realm chat, yeah Barrens was bad no doubt but it has gotten rampantly worse and not just confined to 1 zone.
    No player's are not a result of the system.

    Hell back in BC i had a guy who always trolled trade chat around 4pm EST and would do it into the late hrs in the morning. Lots of people called him out on it and lots joined in.

    There has always been assholes in wow its just now because of the LFD/LFR/CRZ system you see more of them.

    Yes I'm sure there was a lot more helpful people back in BC then now but that is because these helpful people have there said fuck it what'z the point in trying to help someone when all there going to do is troll you or they outright quit wow.

    The assholes have always been there but BC you mainly seen them in X-roads chat or BG"s now because you can see more people you see more assholes.

    In my Opinion: WOW attracts the worse kind of player/person and it has been this way for a really really long time way before LFR/LFD. its just that over the years it has gotten more worse.

    And a lot of it has to do with blizzard not enforcing there rules as much as they use to. I won't put all the blame on blizzard for this but its at lease 50/50.

    this temp 2hr-3day bans are a joke and they do nothing. perma ban people and maybe the rest will notice and stop there shit or at lease it will cut down some.

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    And the dumbing down of WoW continues... oh well lets all go do scenarios!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incredibale View Post
    I think they should develop at least one new set of post-release 5 mans in expansions. They could do something like Frozen Halls on their own queue and/or restrict drops to wrists and minor upgrades. From what I remember, most people were not going straight into ICC from Frozen Halls gear, they used badges in combination with TotC - they still had to run a raid. It was much different from the CoT 5 mans in Cata.

    As much as I like LFR I don't see it as a replacement for new 5 mans. You can have new dungeons without killing the viability of old raids.
    Yep I would be more than happy if they implemented a couple of new 5 mans.

    It had some nice trinkets drop maybe the odd bits of nice gear.

    Full epics for every class that are better (or almost as good) as the previous raiding tier is a big no no in my opinion (and it would seem in Blizzards eyes as well).

    In my head though if it come down to:-

    13 Boss Raid Tier, New Daily Hub & New Scenarios.

    or

    8 Boss Raid Tier & 3 New 5 Mans.

    I personally will take the 13 Boss Raid Tier, New Daily Hub & New Scenarios.

    Of course we would all like

    13 Boss Raid Tier, New Daily Hub, New Scenarios & 3 New 5 Mans.

    But that is getting to "OMFG I want everything and I want it now isn't it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    In regards to your first comment, the players are a result of the system
    Not buying this at all. That's basically saying that Blizzard is to blame for someone's lack of personal responsibility. That's BS.
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  11. #1011
    Quote Originally Posted by AVPaul View Post
    Thanks. Now I know, that I won't resub in this xpack.
    lol. Some people.

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    Given that I only do a single 5-man a day for the bonus rep...I really couldn't care less.
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  13. #1013
    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    Dave Kosak said that in an interview on the german site buffed.
    http://www.buffed.de/World-of-Warcra...Kosak-1059788/

    Headline reads:
    No additional 5-man-dungeons planned, challenge-scenarios and Shaohao-lore - Interview with Lead Quest Designer Dave Kosak

    Q: Do you even plan additional 5-mam dungeons for the rest of the patches of MoP?
    A: No plans regarding that. There'll be more scenarios and you'll still be able to use the LFR tool for the previous tier of raiding. At the moment, we don't plan to release new dungeons.


    I feared as much when they said that additional 5-mans don't fit the current raiding model.
    I promise they will amend this decision if enough people bitch once money is lossed they will go hard to get it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    No player's are not a result of the system.

    Hell back in BC i had a guy who always trolled trade chat around 4pm EST and would do it into the late hrs in the morning. Lots of people called him out on it and lots joined in.

    There has always been assholes in wow its just now because of the LFD/LFR/CRZ system you see more of them.

    Yes I'm sure there was a lot more helpful people back in BC then now but that is because these helpful people have there said fuck it what'z the point in trying to help someone when all there going to do is troll you or they outright quit wow.

    The assholes have always been there but BC you mainly seen them in X-roads chat or BG"s now because you can see more people you see more assholes.

    In my Opinion: WOW attracts the worse kind of player/person and it has been this way for a really really long time way before LFR/LFD. its just that over the years it has gotten more worse.

    And a lot of it has to do with blizzard not enforcing there rules as much as they use to. I won't put all the blame on blizzard for this but its at lease 50/50.

    this temp 2hr-3day bans are a joke and they do nothing. perma ban people and maybe the rest will notice and stop there shit or at lease it will cut down some.

    "Sorry for going a bit off topic there"
    Sad part is I agree with you about Blizzard not enforcing things and the penalty volcano is a joke, I am permanently banned from their main forums for pointing out how they don't (I linked someones armory who has one of the most foul god awful names ever that I won't even mention here), for THAT I get perma-banned but the account holder in question gets nothing, same with the people I report every single damn day for racism and other colorful things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eschaton View Post
    Not buying this at all. That's basically saying that Blizzard is to blame for someone's lack of personal responsibility. That's BS.
    How is it BS? Are you telling me that if people in the real world were given the ability to say what they want and do what they want with no consequences they wouldn't? Get over yourself already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkshake86 View Post
    I promise they will amend this decision if enough people bitch once money is lossed they will go hard to get it back.
    Perhaps although that's less likely than people think. Art assets are the big constraint for Blizzard and dungeons require a lot of them as do raids. So far, Blizzard is putting their money on raids. The point being that at this point in time there's likely very little time left to design, get the art done and implement a batch of new dungeons for MoP. You might see a couple of older dungeons retrofit if things get that bad or the "5.4 surprise" may take the place of that if it's about scaling dungeons or old raids.

    Have to wait and see on that one. I'm really skeptical that brand new dungeons will be brought out although I think it would be pretty interesting if they could do some scenarios that use the old dungeons for something. A lot of the scenarios have been 'outside' (as it were) and having a few that takes you through a few rooms in an old dungeon or a raid could be pretty cool if an appropriate storyline were attached. Since we're apparently heading back to SW/Org for the last part of the expansion maybe that's a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangers58 View Post
    And the dumbing down of WoW continues... oh well lets all go do scenarios!
    Dumbing down? LOL 5 mans were a joke to say the least, show me your raid progression please.

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    I am disappointed with this news. I have always liked running dungeons (at least until MoP launched).

    Blizzard had said that they were going back to Wrath difficulty for the heroic dungeons, I just didn't realise that they had meant when people were running them at the end of WoTLK in ICC gear. Each one is the same. Tank gathers up each group and then the DPS AoE them down. I got bored of that pretty quick. I would rather not earn VP than run an heroic.

    I was hoping therefore that the dungeons that typically arrive later in the expansion would be somewhat challenging and enjoyable to run but alas there will not be any. For someone who doesn't raid normals that only leaves me with dailies and LFR (because I have no interest in pet battles, scenarios, brawlers guild, challenge modes etc.). That doesn't sound very compeling.

  18. #1018
    Quote Originally Posted by Quilzar View Post

    But that is getting to "OMFG I want everything and I want it now isn't it".
    Not when you paid $50 for vanilla $50 for TBC $50 for WOTLK $40 for Cata and $50 for MoP, then for the better part of 10 years paid $15 a month. All that money and you want to even imply they don't have the resources to do more better and faster? Now let's not also forget that there is all sorts of nonsense you can buy online and otherwise to augment your game with blizzards trademarks. So at what point are you not able to say yea you aren't doing enough do more. Hell somehow other companies do a whole lot more work with less money and get better quality, think Crytek, think Epic. Hell if the Free to play MMO's werent Pay to Win a few out there have really good looking visuals and gameplay.

    It took blizzards top level devs how many years to only just BEGIN separating PVP and PVE completely?(By this I mean the way players heal and damage each others in zones and "new" pvp power resilience changes etc. On the level more money goes to BS than the game.

  19. #1019
    Quote Originally Posted by Snes View Post
    Not adding 5 mans means they pretty much aren't going to bother expanding Challenge Mode content this expansion like they said they would.

    There's always that small hope that the "old content" feature involves some sort of Challenge Mode classic raids.
    Challenge modes failed hard. You can tell that hardly anyone does them, but the somewhat lukewarm comments by blues about how "more" people will do them at some undefined point in the future....

    Same with scenarios.


    Whether or not the content was anygood, the uptake seams to be pretty poor if you read between the lines.

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    They really should do a new dungeon every patch or 2, Idc if the gear is the same item lvl as the original dungeons, its just really fucking annoying the same 3 dungeons anytime you want to valor cap/get a lil rep boost, etc.

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