I've got 6 90's now and leveled them all on a mix of questing and dungeons, and can say for a fact that I've never seen anyone kicked for pulling over 20k. as a matter of fact I've seen quite a few at 10-15k in 90 heroics who won't get kicked...and when I've brought up their low DPS in chat, not even getting to the point of trying to kick, I got shouted down by the rest of the group telling me to give them a break because "they are probably new and still learning".
so yeah, I'm going to back the majority voice in this thread and say it's not the meter's fault when people get kicked, it's the RL people on the other end of the meter.
To OP: people have the right to kick you so that instead they get a better dps that wont hold them back.
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Back when I started, I sucked. People said that and I understood. I read guides and got better. Spending a few hours reading and practicing isn't that difficult compared to what you will gain from that
DPS meters are used by all top end progression raiding guilds because some fights are a pure DPS check / race (Heroic Spine, Heroic deathbringer , Festergut, Brutalus, Patchwerk etc..) and if you cant tell who is doing less dps than they should you can't replace them to progress / adress the issue.
I used to run heroic dungeons just to carry those guys and always topped the dps as the tank.
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And to think people bitch about that CD being there! If the people who'd say "yes, I'd kick you, you scrubby noob! l2p" would have no CD to curtail that, we would never be able to run any LFD/R!
I think this thread just proves why the VTK CD is necessary!
Oh, and about class and DPS potential, didn't Blizz say something about PVP always gonna be unbalanced? How do you NOT think that some classes are not going to be up there in DPS potential in PvE, either? Noxxic has Frost Mages being on top of Max DPS in full 496 ilvl gear ( http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/maximum ). Of course, this not depending on the gear an individual player has or how they enchanted/gemmed/reforged their gear (in other words, it's assuming that the gear was cared to according to the Simcrafts that they did). You can't say that all classes can do X DPS at any given time because you're not taking into account gear, player's understanding of the class, what they have to do during the fight (that person that can't get over 30k might be a melee that can't get close to a boss because the tank refuses to kite him out of bad shit on ground...something else never considered here), whatever.
You'll also have to consider that Blizz just did a huge patch and buffed/nerfed things (how many times are Warriors going to get nerfed before Blizz gives them a break?), so many players are trying to adjust to the changes to their classes, as well (and many of us didn't do jack shit on the PTR, mind you). If I'm only pulling 20k on my Fury warrior because I didn't realize that Blizz changed something that changed everything about the right rotation on Fury warriors, then that'll be something that I have to fix, but it's something that isn't going to wipe a group if I'm also following all the mechanics of the fight (I'm still contributing and pulling my weight at that point because I understand that I do 0k DPS if I'm dead, and 20k is better than none).
This is why, while important, you can't judge anyone solely on how much DPS that they're doing in a fight!
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I wouldn't put too much faith in numbers from noxxic.
If you think it's acceptable to do that DPS then that is your opinion. Not everyone is going to be happy with the feeling that they are doing almost all of the work in the dungeon so you can benefit, and being upset because they aren't happy with it is a shitty attitude.
Last edited by Theodon; 2013-03-11 at 02:15 AM.
If your DPS is that low, then it's because you're failing to use DPS Metres to improve your ability with your character.
I'm not sure boasting or pointing out what was possible several expansions ago is constructive. The point is people use DPS meters poorly, but they are a great source of information. In today's heroic environment you might as well put them away... I actually was in a group recently where 2 of the DPS couldn't do much more than 5k, it involved a feral dps who thought it was fun to play in bear form. Point being (besides it taking longer than it should) we cleared the 5 man with very little difficulty. You're starting to find it difficult to come up with a valid argument about pulling your weight in those instances because I'm sure some tanks could solo them.
Where I get annoyed is the percieved lack of respect for other people's time. It's something that probably doesn't occur to the average player, perhaps they like spending their alloted wow time doing a 5man or whatever group activity it might be. Me on the other hand would like to get several things accomplished which means the time investment in a specific activity is important to me. So what annoyed me about the example above is a 15min instance took 30mins and I feel mytime in game is valuable and was being wasted by those who really didn't care about my time.
If you're kicked for dps, it's your fault and you need to get better.