Ban DPS Metres

[Well]

@ OP:

Thing is that when a DpS is doing more than 35% of the total dmg done in the dungeon, I can only assume that the others are slacking. I have no problem with newbs or people who are ungeared, but I will not tolerate people who are not giving their best or at least trying to do so. Slacking/afking/dcing indefinitely and being rude are the only reasons I will initiate or agree to a kick.

If you think that your dps is low only because of gear, inform your group. Secondly I strongly suggest checking noxxic for a basic understanding of your class' rotation and how to handle it. If you are a sitting duck meleeing the boss and expecting the others to carry you, then I will kick you and be happy about it too. 70% of your dmg being Melee is not acceptable, sorry.

[Firecrest]

In the context, possibly. He is implying than rather than spending time to help this raider to improve their performance, you take the quick option of replacing that person with someone better. Raiding is a team effort last I recall. It is not just me me me. It is us us us.

I wasn't being figurative when I said that "there aren't enough hours in a day to teach every bad player I come across". There literally aren't. Occasionally, if someone has a really good attitude, I'll put some time in with them. But that's not why I play. And I don't really find that fun. Why should my fun be hampered just to facilitate something that the other person could do on their own time with a few quick Google searches?

[Predator128]

Blame the people, not the addons. kinda like we should blame guns for all the wars we humans have caused

[kalo]

if youre "undergeared" and slow down your group, at least drink a flask ^^

[Superman-BladesEdge]

Why should my fun be hampered just to facilitate something that the other person could do on their own time with a few quick Google searches?

I see this quite a bit. My answer is simple. There are far more under-geared, under-skilled, casual PvE players without enchantments, gems, flasks, upgrades, and a laundry list of other items running LFD/LFR than there are Pros. By helping someone out, even just a bit, you improve your chances of randomly teaming with someone who has been helped out, rather than someone who was mocked and kicked. If you help someone, and they do, and so on, it eventually insures there are players who are finally getting the hang of it and helping their party, rather than hindering them.

But, if your time is precious to you, and people don't matter, you can always just run with guildies and friends so you are not imposed upon to help out a lesser knowledgeable player. It's ok. They are used to being mocked and ignored. It is why they don't care when they join LFR.

ON TOPIC: I think Recount and Skada should only be usable in raids and only by the raid leader. This would insure it is used for its intended purpose and not just an epeen stroke or an excuse to kick someone / embarass them.

[Firecrest]

I see this quite a bit. My answer is simple. There are far more under-geared, under-skilled, casual PvE players without enchantments, gems, flasks, upgrades, and a laundry list of other items running LFD/LFR than there are Pros. By helping someone out, even just a bit, you improve your chances of randomly teaming with someone who has been helped out, rather than someone who was mocked and kicked. If you help someone, and they do, and so on, it eventually insures there are players who are finally getting the hang of it and helping their party, rather than hindering them.

In a nebulous sense, what you're saying makes sense. However, in real world practice, it does not. I point you to the earlier portion of the post you quoted. If I spent just 15 minutes with every bad player I came across, it would be 24/7 experience – and I’d STILL miss most people. When I sit down in front of the computer and say to myself, “Okay, I’ve got three hours to play before bed.” Is it fair to expect me to spend 2 ½ of those hours on teaching strangers how to play? That’s not what I bought WoW for. If I wanted to be a teacher, I’d get a job in a High School. My free time should be filled with things I enjoy doing.

Secondly, I have to again reference my previous post. The real kicker here is that there's not much I could teach someone that they couldn’t learn faster on their own. The basics are really really easy to learn. You could Google them up 10x faster than I could teach you through chat. I might meet with some limited success in teaching someone the finer points of how to play their class – but that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about people who have such a shitty grasp of the game that all four (or 18 of 25 or whatever LFR is) of the other people in group would rather have them gone than try to deal with them.

My firm belief is that the vast majority of people who are ejected for poor performance could correct that problem with less than 30 minutes on the web. I have no patience or pity or desire to help people who refuse to help themselves. What you’re asking is for two people to do the job of one, in a less efficient manner, when one of the two (maybe both!) don’t even want to be there in the first place. It’s not really a logical request.

In the real world, butterfly wings don’t create tsunamis.

[Superman-BladesEdge]

I agree that helping EVERY player is a bit unrealistic, also, it is unlikely anyone would play 24/7, so that is more or less exaggeration. My point was, for the 1-2 hours people are logged in per day, they are likely to find someone who wants help, and needs help, but might not know how to ask for it. It hurts nothing to help 1 person per day. Even if everyone else is completely ignored in a 12 hours day of play, helping 1 person, 1 time, can make a difference. It usually takes 10 mins, not 2.5 hours (again exaggeration).

There will be some players who do not want help, who are there simply for "lulz", or just don't care enough to want to learn. These players are easily spotted and easily ignored. I'm certainly not saying we need to help everyone, but it would be nice if more players would help 1 someone I do agree that most players who are ejected, deserve the ejection for one reason or another. I just want to make sure we are not tossing aside a good apple, just because a spoiled apple was in the same barrel, or because the skin "looked" bad.