So, how would a 25 man team made up of all the best in the world look? Let´s call it the allstar team, best player in every spot. Language barriers, us/eu etc left out. Just the 25 top dogs.
8 year olds Dude.
It is a good thing that the top guilds are getting though most of the heroics in the first week (that they are up). This means it is tuned such that most of these encounters can be done without heroic raid level gear. No need to farm up massive amounts of gear from previous bosses so that you even stand a chance at the harder ones. LK heroic was complete BS in that you needed pretty much a full set of BiS gear to get him down without the instance nerf (it was what 15% before the first kill)? I'm glad Blizzard has moved away from gear dependence and more towards skill.
last few posts state that the encounters are equally hard, but its just more difficult to get 25 good enough players
Last edited by lappee; 2013-03-19 at 06:09 PM.
It should be obvious to most people that 10/25 will NEVER be perfectly balanced towards each other and shouldn’t be pinned against one another, but hey Fanboyism will outshine reason.
We could also change the word 25man → Christianity and 10man → Islam and we would have a pretty standard religious debate
25 man requires more logistical care i would say. taking care of 25 man is harder than 10 man, and so you get more wipe not because the boss are harders, but because you have 2,5 more chance that someone makes it wrong. But correct me if i m wrong someone who keeps messing up his positioning at their level (10 man or 25) isn't kept long time
25 men requires more dps? i bet any 25 man raiders that they won't make as much dps in 10 man
This "10man isnt world first" is grinding my gears
Paragon kills Lei Shen before ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD, its world first. Stop being logically backwards.
Will be the same if a 25man guild killed it first too. First is First, regardless.
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Watching an incredible race like this, while seeing this commentary about 10/25 US/EU is sad. It's like Troy Aikman and Joe Buck broadcasting the Superbowl, and in the middle of everything, they're stuck arguing over which coach has the hottest wife, or which position requires the most yoga.
Who gives a crap! This is a great race. These teams are the best in the world, spending every possible minute on content that's brand new. We're gonna get some of the best nerdscream videos we've ever seen when this is over. Isn't anyone AT ALL excited for the race itself?
We have the best guild in the world (Paragon) versus the best 25m guild in the world (Method) versus the best American guild (Blood Legion) versus the Russian upstarts (Exorsus) all fighting right now for the last couple bosses, and they're just about even. There isn't any massive gap this tier, they're going back and forth for WF's. That's freaking awesome.
Just let it be awesome.
It can go as far that what its harder for 10 at top 10 ranks in the world is getting harder for 25 under rank 2000.
Also the fact that the boss requires 25 ppl to kill goes together with the fact that out of those people more mistakes will happen...That makes the boss himself as hard (if the ratio is at excactly 2,5:1), easier (if the fatal mistakes are at a ratio of less than 2,5:1) and harder (you can guess when)...
There is no rule which one is harder at top level. It can happen to be 10 or 25 as the past, and obviously the present clearly demonstrate.
They re just different...
Method was not so much better than Paragon to get Animus hours faster, neither Paragon became supercharged team of aliens after clearing Animus to get Qon and right after Twins as well while Method was strugling at them for hours, and still does even now, 30+hours after Paragon did the kill.
They are different, and things like those make any attempt to talk about "the one race" to look entirely stupid to any person without fanboysm and some common sence.
There is only one rule.
The more you go down the progression ladder, the harder an encounter is becoming for 25s.
That is why you need a microscope to find any 10.000 rank or lower 25 in the progress rankings, together with the fact that the better skilled people of that team will get rid of the worse and get a couple of thousand spots better progress and the gear from the extra kills.
Last edited by Archidamos; 2013-03-19 at 06:36 PM.
There's no "overall" WF race on the other hand is a whole other argument, and one that only count for those that care tbh. But there IS an overall WF it's just a fact...
Most people do not realize the talent and skill it requires to be in a top guild. Many of you think its only about time invested, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
But since this is raiding, raid team size is meaningless. If a 25 man does it, it's World First. If a 10 man does it first, it is still World First