Ra'den is just a bonus boss. Lei Shen was the bad guy in this tier, and it fell down already.
Ra'den will propably fall when raids are in full bis gear, perhaps even after valor upgrade returns in 5.3 to give them even more DPS.
It will be like heroic elite protectors of the endless. It went down way after sha of fear but did somebody cared? I remember top 3 for sha of fear hc, i don't even know who killed protectors HC elite world first.
I know Ra-Den is a bonus boss with limited attempts/week, so it's out of the race in some way... but still:a heroic-only boss, with no description on the journal, that most of us will probably be able to see only at the end of MoP. I am excited, and I do care... it's something like Der Richter in FFX, if you know what I mean
But yes, they got 8 ilvls higher gear, shorter resets. But the bosses themselves does 8% more dmg and has 8% more health aswell if i remember correctly. Cant tell you if it was harder or easier then the west version.
1) Lei Shen is hard while Sin is one of the easiest end boss ever. You can basically kill him in one Combo of Wakka.
2) Completing FFX requires an absurd quantity of grinding. There are hard encounters in FFX, but Der Richter is not one of them. The fight against Der Richter is just the result of hours of grinding to max out each characteristic of your three main characters. The best way to grind is probably by killing Nemesis but to unlock it you also need to spend hours capturing 10 monters of every species in the game.
I know that Devai said he didn't like Ra-den, but it can't be that bad.
On topic, I haven't seen Method/Blood Legion tell how many wipes they spent on Lei Shen. Have I missed the information?
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I remember the long thread about the kill on this forum and several people from asian servers said it.
Style has 10+ ilv than paragon，they said it was like 0%buff 10Man-HLK on their own，gratz to them
Also, from a point of view, Ra-Den is still the hardest boss to beat, because to get there you must kill Lei Shen first (which is the most difficult), and then put some more effort on an additional boss.
Ra-den is tracked by all the ranking sites and is counted as the final boss. Whoever gets him will be #1 on the sites forever, regardless of your opinion.
Ra-den is a completely new boss, and only accessible to the very best raiders. Anyone could attempt elite protectors at any time.
My bet is Ra-den drops a signature raid mount, the Armored Bloodwing if I had to guess.
Ra-den has limited attempts, and for some people it makes a kill more impressive when time is a limiting factor. Atempts/kill is an often ignored but interesting metric.
Honestly, the comparison is a a bit silly...
It doesn't matter for shit what ranking system wowprogress uses, intelligent people are able to analyze the race themselves without looking at the order at wowprogress and taking it at face value.
The admin of wowprogress chooses some algorithm for ranking, mostly based on just hoping to be lucky enough that it makes sense at the end. In some cases (such as this tier) it gets changed mid-progress. Just enjoy the race, enjoy the swift updates and good website functionality of wowprogress and use your own brain.
Algalon was considered progression, Sinestra was considered progression and Ra-Den will be considered progression. So long as it gives an achievement, a realm first guild FOS and a completion on wowprogress, heroic-only bosses will always be progression. Now you can argue all day about what Blizzard meant when they said "optional" but if any of you are in a guild that is even somewhat serious about heroic progression you better get used to the idea that progression won't stop with H Lei Shen.
It seems there's been a 10 man Lei Shen kill in China. Now, apparently the 10 man HP and damage isn't increased as it is on 25 man for Asian servers (which was to offset the significantly higher item levels there) so it's not really comparable. The guild themselves said that the kill wasn't a big deal as it was low difficulty, and they were primarily doing it to get 10 man access to Ra-Den so they could test things out there, to then take that knowledge back to 25 man, as well as getting extra loot and thunderforged items (remember on Asia servers 10 and 25 are separate lockouts).
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"Only" raiding 10 hours a day?