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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordredofmia View Post
    Isn't needing to do PVP to PVE kinda..fucking stupid?

    Like if I have no interest in PVP and just wanna PVE why should I need to go buy PVP gear and do PVP just to get into PVE?
    You dont have to PvP at all to get PvP gear. Run heroics, get jp, convert to honor, buy PvP gear. Its probably faster to get honor that way too since a lot of heroics can be done in 15min ad get you 300-400 jp without the perk.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by jayinjersey View Post
    Or you can make LFR a social place.


    We currently have 10 people strong that LFR on alts/mains/newbies every week...we vent up and [this might be a shocker] actually try in LFR.

    We like to compete against each other and the other geared players...is it a "snooze"? I can be, but we don't let it.

    THAT's the difference. We make the game social, if even for a bit of the LFR, and it becomes fun.



    But I know, I know...social has no place in the LFR and we should be shot.
    I've been in a couple LFRs where there was some fun social interaction in raid chat. It's just very, very rare that it happens.

  3. #303
    I stopped at "fresh 90 trying to raid". As a fresh 90, you are asking to be carried if you try to raid.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Prokne View Post
    You dont have to PvP at all to get PvP gear. Run heroics, get jp, convert to honor, buy PvP gear. Its probably faster to get honor that way too since a lot of heroics can be done in 15min ad get you 300-400 jp without the perk.
    How sad. Blizzard has failed so hard that the solution to their failed catch up mechanics is PVP gear....

    Anyway, thats a solution for healers, but DPSers and tanks will have no hit using PVP gear.

    The fact is that Blizzard needs to wake up and stop with this non sense.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    How sad. Blizzard has failed so hard that the solution to their failed catch up mechanics is PVP gear....

    Anyway, thats a solution for healers, but DPSers and tanks will have no hit using PVP gear.

    The fact is that Blizzard needs to wake up and stop with this non sense.
    They only understand one thing. Loosing subs. So their not likely to wake up anytime soon, probably around the time of the next expansion when they MAGICALLY realize they had it all wrong in mists. Can't wait for it personally. Wanna guess how low the subs dip till then?

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Kantoro View Post
    I stopped at "fresh 90 trying to raid". As a fresh 90, you are asking to be carried if you try to raid.
    He means he's trying to get gear to start raiding, not asking to get carried with shitty gear.

  7. #307
    I geared up like so.

    Get to 90 with 4000 honor 4000 justice. Buy 478 Malevelent. Spent what Valor I had on new 522 kneck. Its fast way to get your gear level up to reasonable level.

  8. #308
    World of Dailies

    I cant believe so many "blizz fans" support this style of gameplay.
    Free-To-Play is the future.

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by Zodiark Son View Post
    He means he's trying to get gear to start raiding, not asking to get carried with shitty gear.
    but problem is he refuse to do anything. There's no serious guild in the world that would take him for their raid team.

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    It's not you mists isn't as casual friendly. It's a massive grind and a massive gate in an attempt to make sure you always have something to do but it's made it so that nothing feels like it's worth doing. It's a massive cock up and bringing back linear progression is about the stupidest fucking thing they could have attempted to do.
    So its bad they are indirectly forcing you to use all the content? ok....getting the ilvl needed for msv/hof/terrace is very easy.
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  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    Wait, LFR is boring and easy but 5 mans are great content? Not sure I follow that one. It's also a little strange that you bring up content difficulty but don't bring up doing normal modes for gear. It's the quickest and easiest way to gear up.
    5 mans are much better content then LFR. You can communicate in a 5-man. You can run a 5-man with just 5 friends and challenge yourself with speed runs. You can keep repeating 5-mans more then once a week until you get the piece of gear you want. I can do 4 heroics in the time it takes to queue for one LFR. 5-Man dungeons are drastically superior content then LFR, which is just a shittier version of content they already made. That's why they're pushing it on us in favor of new dungeons. New dungeons have to be designed, possibly use new art. If they can replace the effort of making new dungeons and just shit out a LFR mode of whatever raid is going it's a huge win for them. You're just happily gobbling up then charging you the same amount of money but letting you accomplish less and them creating less game. That's all LFR is. It's not content, it's a "Raiding for dummies" version of a real raid.

    And it has nothing to do with difficulty. It's tedious. LFR takes FOREVER and chances are you aren't getting a piece of gear and then that's it game over nothing more for the week. Nothing in WOW aside from heroic modes is truly challenging. It's just a boring grindfest of who can prop themselves up against the keyboard longer. It's a horrible design philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryntrollian View Post
    You don't " need " to pvp as there are other ways to reach the requirement but doing everything possible including PvP is a sure way to gear up much faster...
    I don't have enough time per day to log on an do dailies, run heroics, run pvp, farm professions, level an alt, and have fun. I quit during Cata because they made the game feel less like a fun enjoyable game but more of a series of chores.

    Wolk's progression model was the absolute best. You get 2 emblems per day from a heroic. 14 a week from dungeons. That's it. Then you got 5 more for the weekly raid. So that's a nice extra chunk leaving you at 19. From that point on the only limit to how many emblems you can earn was how many bosses you could kill. It made that currency feel valuable. Spending it felt good. Getting a new boss down felt like a win both because YAY progression but also because that was two more emblems more then you got last week. It was great.

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordredofmia View Post
    And it has nothing to do with difficulty. It's tedious. LFR takes FOREVER...blah blah blah
    LFR takes FOREVER?? LOL. That is the funniest thing I've read on here in a while.

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Kantoro View Post
    I stopped at "fresh 90 trying to raid". As a fresh 90, you are asking to be carried if you try to raid.
    Well, that's what alt raids are about, right? Gear up alts and newbies.

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by calinass View Post
    People say that WoW got casual friendly, but is there a possibility that its not casual friendly as WotLK, or am I just way too nostalgiac and its blurring my memory?

    edit --- extremely relevant signature :|
    At this point in WotLK (the equivalent to the ulduar patch)

    Your options for gearing up for an ulduar raid were all of T7 (Maly, OS, and Naxx) VoA (two bosses, low chance for loot) Rep, and heroics.
    You could get a small amount of gear through tokens, but valor at that point was what, token gloves, boots, belt, cape, offhand and legs? Far from what you'd get for T9's crazy catchup setup that followed all the way through cataclysm. (T9 had a 5-man that dropped purps, heroics were rigged up to give top-tier currency once per day, and a basic set of T9 was purchasable for said currency.)

    Today, you've got Heroics (which will get you to 463) LFR (which'll get you to 480ish, which is the requisite for ToT LFR)
    Heroics give VP, as many times as you want in a day (with a bonus for your first.) You have scenarios which can be used to gain VP through the LFG tools while queued for LFD. You need rep to access said VP gear, but there's few holes (weapons, pretty much), and they just had prices slashed (50% less VP for 5.0 gear, 25% for 5.1 gear). The new faction has a pretty solid set of intro gear too, if you want to go into that direction.

    It's not a "jump in and go" system like cataclysm, where you could farm 3 loot dropping instances non-stop and be raid-ready in a weekend. If anything, it's More like Early wrath, and less like late wrath/late cataclysm.

  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    They only understand one thing. Loosing subs. So their not likely to wake up anytime soon, probably around the time of the next expansion when they MAGICALLY realize they had it all wrong in mists. Can't wait for it personally. Wanna guess how low the subs dip till then?
    If losing subs is how they understand, they will wake up soon. First quarter of MoP they lost as many subs as in first quarter of Cata, and Cata was a complete failure. They will lose more in the second quarter, and judging from this quote in the front page "The Isle of Thunder has things like the summonable bosses, rare spawns, chests, Lorewalker objects, and other things to make it more than just a place to go and do daily quests. More things like these will be experimented with in Patch 5.3." they will continue to lose in 5.3 because they just dont get it.

    They dont get that we are fed up with dailies (including dailies zones), and that focusing on one and only one mechanism is a bad thing.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-12 at 08:44 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanzubaa View Post
    I geared up like so.

    Get to 90 with 4000 honor 4000 justice. Buy 478 Malevelent. Spent what Valor I had on new 522 kneck. Its fast way to get your gear level up to reasonable level.
    Yeha, then proceed to miss all your attacks because you are not hit capped (and i doubt you reach the hit cap reforging that gear).

  16. #316
    Is it really that hard? I got 471 on my Rogue in a few days without even trying or doing a single daily or using a single Elder Charm. Seems like it would be jokes especially since you can get 10+ charms a week with minimal effort now.

  17. #317
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trakanonn View Post
    World of Dailies

    I cant believe so many "blizz fans" support this style of gameplay.
    Don't like dailies, then don't do dailies. Not sure where that's "blizz fans" supporting that style of play.

    Sure you don't get charms or rep or the fancy mounts but if you don't like it don't do it. Don't allow a fancy mount force you into something you don't like. There are alternatives now (rep from 1st dungeon, charms from pet battle, rep from farm and even a rep from the current raid) but the worst case scenario if you didn't like those either is to just let your VP cap and sit there. Even if you let your VP cap you can still get all the gear you needed out of dungeons, LFR or normals and still do the things you say you enjoy doing, it might be slower but it's your time and sanity that matter more.

    As for using PVP gear, no one is saying to use nothing but PVP gear. The point of converting JP to HP is to cheese the ilvl to get you into LFR to get gear from there and replace your PVP pieces. Yes you could theoretically not get any loot from LFR but do you know anyone that it's actually happened to?

    The quickest way to gear is to get into LFR. There are now 5 wings of the old raid and 1 wing of the new (open today). For a fresh 90 you can reach the 460 to start running the first wing of LFR on the same day or a couple days after dinging 90 using methods people have already posted over and over again (LFD, Sha Boots, 522 neck and converting JP into HP). You can also be honoured with any rep in 2 days so you should be able to buy enough gear for a while and then STOP DOING DAILIES. It's like people keep hitting themselves with a mallet but instead of stopping just sit there blaming someone else for supplying them with a mallet.

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    and why do you think fresh 90 is more entitled to gearing up faster then what we did at start of MoP?
    Dude I didnt have 476 gear from the start, I dinged I run dungeons where everyone else also need gear from it, and everyone needed on anything just to boost ilvl (now everyone just disenchant, so it's much easier to gear up). I entered MV without 1 epic on me, and green helmet. There was no LFR at start, and it was massivly gated later on. but I managed, I did dailies, I was running raids every week, I earned it.
    Now some guys ding and think he deserve a reward for it, pathetic.
    WTF? Please quote me where I say that. Please, please do. And don't say "you implied" No, it was 1 line, you cannot read anything from 1 line.

    I am fucking fine with 463. Because guess what? I went from 450 to 473 in 2 days! How? I know how to play the game. If you are stuck at a low ilevel, you're doing it wrong. 476 gear on the AH? Ow noez, 1k a piece. Whatever shall I.. ow wait.. done and raid ready. So please shove your self righteous whatever you want to call it. And read a post normally ok?
    This is with:

    2x 5 man run (SM armory+Library and Siege of blabla temple)
    1x every LFR wing.

    So no, it's not hard.

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by calinass View Post
    People say that WoW got casual friendly, but is there a possibility that its not casual friendly as WotLK, or am I just way too nostalgiac and its blurring my memory?
    I personally think it is more casual friendly now. The only difference was there were not items checks for raids in WoTLK. So a fresh 80 can be carried through the raid by others, if they are feeling generous. This happened to me but that was an exception since I was marked as a healer and they wanted more raid healers. Would not have happened if I was a DPS.

    Now, there is a check but the check is generous. Asking for mostly heroic dungeon gear for raiding is not being obnoxious. With LFR, it is even easier do the raid instances, at much easier level, without joining a guild and dedicating to their raid times. Some do not consider LFR as true raiding but that is not the point. The fact is more people are now able to enter and do some raiding than before.

    One change I like to see them incorporate is allow LFR in both Normal and Heroic mode in addition to is current level.

    The tabard rep change is annoying but make senses. The old systems, which was super convenient, did not make sense. Earning rep with a factor should mean doing work for them, not wearing their tabard and kill some bosses in a dungeon which they don't care about it.

  20. #320
    Most casual friendly expac was Cata. ANYONE could raid, gear was easy to get for all 10 alts, dungeons were just cruise control for easy JP, and everyone could just log in and wait for a queue to pop.

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