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    Salt Water Ocean under Europa

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsyst...a20130305.html

    Edit: Yes people! the moon! not the continent Europe! Don't expect NASA in europe.... and maybe the picture below will help?

    We've known for a long time of a large liquid ocean under europa but now there is very strong evidence that not only is there water under Europa but salt water. I'm very glad that we are dedicating more time into understanding mars, but i think it's time we start developing a craft that will fly to Europa since there is a much bigger chance we will find bacterial life on Europa than Mars and if anything that is the most important discovery of all time



    Its time to visit Europa! who's with me?
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    This has the potential to ruin space exploration forever. Think about it.

    All of the most terrifying creatures on earth are in the ocean. So what if we send a probe to Europa, and the first alien life we ever find looks like this?


    Suddenly nobody wants to be an astronaut anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    This has the potential to ruin space exploration forever. Think about it.

    All of the most terrifying creatures on earth are in the ocean. So what if we send a probe to Europa, and the first alien life we ever find looks like this?

    Suddenly nobody wants to be an astronaut anymore.
    If there's creatures like that out there, think of the size of the fossil fuel deposits they'd leave behind. We'd be all over that.

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    Imagine living on a moon, a mere floating rock, and looking up to the sky to see a storm ravaged gas giant staring back at you. All the while knowing there could be a hundred thousand times the discovery on that planet than here on this alien moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zdrasti View Post
    If there's creatures like that out there, think of the size of the fossil fuel deposits they'd leave behind. We'd be all over that.
    You'd need to build drilling ships capable of fighting those things, and find crews willing to man them. On the upside, in addition to the oil you drilled, you'd also be able to process more oil from the corpses of the ones you killed.

    And you wouldn't even have to worry about over-fishing them. Because honestly, who's going to complain if something like that goes extinct?

    Still, one of my biggest fears as a space explorer would be finding myself in the wrong scene of a Starship Troopers re-enactment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    You'd need to build drilling ships capable of fighting those things, and find crews willing to man them. On the upside, in addition to the oil you drilled, you'd also be able to process more oil from the corpses of the ones you killed.

    And you wouldn't even have to worry about over-fishing them. Because honestly, who's going to complain if something like that goes extinct?

    Still, one of my biggest fears as a space explorer would be finding myself in the wrong scene of a Starship Troopers re-enactment...
    There was a bug... in his brain!

    And I'd totally be an astronaut if I was given laser weapons and could go fight giant worm things on Neptune and Alpha Centuri.


    Edit -> Also, a little more research has led to the fact that the European Space Agency is planning on sending a probe named 'JUICE' to Europa. Jupiter Ice Explorer or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    There was a bug... in his brain!

    And I'd totally be an astronaut if I was given laser weapons and could go fight giant worm things on Neptune and Alpha Centuri.
    Shit, I sure as hell wouldn't. Maybe if it was on land, but when you're in a boat and this thing is constantly diving and surfacing...

    well, you're in his house now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    This has the potential to ruin space exploration forever. Think about it.

    All of the most terrifying creatures on earth are in the ocean. So what if we send a probe to Europa, and the first alien life we ever find looks like this?


    Suddenly nobody wants to be an astronaut anymore.
    What are you talking about?

    This is AMERICA you and I live in. We would have people lining up by the thousands to go on missions to conquer this new nation of worm monsters.

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    Hitler wasn't all bad, I mean, he DID kill Hitler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    What are you talking about?

    This is AMERICA you and I live in. We would have people lining up by the thousands to go on missions to conquer this new nation of worm monsters.
    so.much.win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    What are you talking about?

    This is AMERICA you and I live in. We would have people lining up by the thousands to go on missions to conquer this new nation of worm monsters.
    The nation of worm monsters have W.M.D.S

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    The nation of worm monsters have W.M.D.S
    Worms of Mass Destruction? Like, worms that can destroy mass?!

    Bergtau's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability that somebody will mention Godwin's Law approaches 1.
    Hitler wasn't all bad, I mean, he DID kill Hitler.
    An accident is something that you did not mean to do at all. A mistake is something that you regret doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    Worms of Mass Destruction? Like, worms that can destroy mass?!

    weapons of mass destruction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    Shit, I sure as hell wouldn't. Maybe if it was on land, but when you're in a boat and this thing is constantly diving and surfacing...

    well, you're in his house now.
    I would have an underwater mech by the time we have military resources to fight underwater wyrms on a water planet. Have you ever seen what water super-heated by lasers does to wyrmflesh? It smells delicious. Like napalm in the morning. 'MERICA! ;P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    What are you talking about?

    This is AMERICA you and I live in. We would have people lining up by the thousands to go on missions to conquer this new nation of worm monsters.
    just to go down i history to be the first person from earth to kill an Alien lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    weapons of mass destruction
    Why do you have to go and ruin my joke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    This has the potential to ruin space exploration forever. Think about it.

    All of the most terrifying creatures on earth are in the ocean. So what if we send a probe to Europa, and the first alien life we ever find looks like this?


    Suddenly nobody wants to be an astronaut anymore.

    dude i hope this exists under Europa

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    that's the most terrifying planet ever. i almost hyperventilate just thinking about it T_T

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    on a serious note watch them find some sort of virus that takes out the whole human race.

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    Wasn't Europa seen as one of the potential 'new Earths'? Salt water is a good start, and I'd certainly expect it could support life. Depending on the exact minerals, it could be that we'd manage to make a fuel out of it, and that does potentially solve the problems regarding surface temperatures (which reach a high of -160C at it's equator) if matched with powerful enough (and correct) equipment.

    Not sure on the validity of this, but a radio frequency generator can release the Oxygen and Hydrogen from salt water which of course can be used to create 'clean' and high temperature flames. With an essentially endless ocean of it, we'd be better suited to try something like that here first before sending an unmanned drone off to attempt the same on Europa.

    The initial problem is providing enough power to the generator to create stable energy sources. I dare say that with enough work, it'd be possible to store these gases for later use, potentially using them as fuel for welding, which could be useful for building more substantial structures, and of course, the Oxygen allows us humans to breath, which in turn adds carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

    I'm not sure of which, if any vegetation could survive at such low temperatures, but with Carbon Dioxide being introduced into the atmosphere, it provides one of the blocks for plant life, which in turn provide us with Oxygen returns (again, usable to support human life, or to use as a fuel). Using the hydrogen along with domes of some sort to provide heated shelter gives us another.

    We're then just missing the sunlight (due to it being so far away). However, this may not be such a problem as Europa, being encrusted with ice, is highly reflective, and so I don't think that the sunlight situation is quite as bad as one would initially assume.

    I'm obviously looking way too far ahead of this, but I'd say that there is a lot of potential here. It's a very specific idealistic view on the situation, but it does indeed feel like this discovery might lead to a more interesting future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    And you wouldn't even have to worry about over-fishing them. Because honestly, who's going to complain if something like that goes extinct?
    Yo, right here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    on a serious note watch them find some sort of virus(or parasite/bacteria whathaveyou) that takes out the whole human race.
    Also yes, me in blue.
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    I want to make friends with the big worm.

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