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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthwings View Post
    I thought I would make a thread about military technology being developed all over the world, be it planes, ships, armored vehicles, camouflage, stealth, anything to do with defence. Post links of interest about military tech, etc.
    Discuss!
    I've been interested in military technology for a long time, because of its 'coolness'.

    But the fact is military technology has reached a point of diminishing returns.
    - When several countries have (or can quickly build) nuclear arsenals that are powerful enough to completely wipe out any enemy, new tank armor or aircraft missiles just don't matter to the outcome of WWIII anymore.
    - In smaller conflicts Afghanistan-style advanced military technology can reduce casualties, but such conflicts are won by the side that wants to win most badly. 40 times more Vietnamese than Americans died in Vietnam, the Vietnamese won anyway. Technology isn't the deciding factor.

    Most new military technology is a waste of money. Consider the F-22, a crazily expensive successor for the F-15. Does it have more capabilities? Yes. Are these extra capabilities used? Between cruise missiles and attack drones, no. But an ageing fleet of 750 F-15s has to be replaced by only 180 F-22s, and the skies haven't shrunk.

    Remember Libya? The USAF considered sending a squadron of F-22s, but eventually decided against it. Simply because the F-22 is more expensive to operate than the F-15 and F-16, but adds nothing that would have been of use over Libya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleinlax21 View Post
    Surprised this hasn't been mentioned, but the F-35 Lightning II looks pretty flippin sweet.
    Name one mission the F-35 can do, that the F-16 can not, and that is actually likely to be used in a conflict.

    - Third world enemy aircraft are effectively intercepted using AWACS and long range missiles, the missile platform matters very little anymore.
    - Air defense zones are penetrated using cruise missiles and drones. Manned aircraft are kept safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    It is starting to look that way, The results from tests have been outstanding so far.
    Anything to get rid of those L85's eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Different cartridge entirely..... Besides, 7.62 is considered too heavy for a modern assault rifle.
    Well anything that uses 7.62x51 isn't an assault rifle anyway =P.
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    Lets say you have a two 3 inch lines. One is all red and the other is 48% red and 52% blue. Does that mean there's a 50-50 chance they're both red or is the second line matching the all red line by 48%?
    ^^^ Wells using an analogy

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    Quote Originally Posted by xylophone View Post
    Anything to get rid of those L85's eh?

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    Well anything that uses 7.62x51 isn't an assault rifle anyway =P.
    you dont need to get rid of the L85's just another modification ( ) change the barrel, bolt and you're good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einherjarn View Post
    Maybe this could be usefull in the military? If it's legit.
    (There is blood for the squeamish.)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDskVOOwsUk
    Somthing looks odd, a kind of "jump" in the video at the14-15 second mark.
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    The "Armata" Universal Combat Platform is a Russian advanced next generation heavy military tracked vehicle platform. The "Armata" platform is intended to be the basis for a main battle tank, a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, a combat engineering vehicle, an armoured recovery vehicle, a heavy armoured personnel carrier, a tank support combat vehicle and several types of self-propelled artillery under the same codename based on the same chassis. It will also serve as the basis for artillery, air defense, and NBC defense systems.[1]

    Russian Lieutenant-General Yuri Kovalenko states that the "Armata" combat platform will utilize many features of the T-95 tank, of which only a few prototypes have been built. In the main battle tank variant, the ammunition compartment will be separate from the crew, increasing operational safety while the engine will be more powerful and the armor, main gun and autoloader will be improved. The prototype is scheduled to enter field trials in 2013, about 10 months ahead of schedule. First Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Sukhorukov said. The new tank is under development at Uralvagonzavod in Omsk. The first deliveries of the tank to the Russian Armed Forces are scheduled for 2015. A total of 2,300 MBTs are expected to be supplied by 2020.[2] The tank will have an unmanned, remotely controlled turret. It will be digitally controlled by a crewmember located in a separate compartment. It is believed this would eventually lead to the development of a fully robotic tank.[3]

    The name designation of this tank (or more correctly "prospective family of heavy unified battlefield platforms" - "перспективный ряд тяжёлых унифицированных платформ поля боя") "Armata" is derived from Latin word "arma" (weapon) and was an old Russian word for early guns. Inevitably this was wrongly transcribed as "Armada" by journalists.[4][5][6]

    According to preliminary reports, the new tank designated T-99 will be less radical and ambitious than the failed ‘Object 195’ or T-95, it will weigh less, therefore, become more agile and will be more affordable, compared to its more ambitious predecessors. The Russian industry is also developing the Boomerang family of 8×8 wheeled armored vehicles which will gradually replace the current BTR-90. Additionally, the Kurganets-25 tracked armored vehicle provides high degree of commonality with the new Armata tank. The Kurganets-25 will evolve into various models, gradually replacing BMP and BMD and MT-LB and other types of tracked armored platforms.[2]

    Prototypes of heavy armored vehicles based on the Armata combat platform are planned to be presented at the defense exhibition Russian Arms Expo in Nizhny Tagil in September 2013.[7]

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleinlax21 View Post
    Surprised this hasn't been mentioned, but the F-35 Lightning II looks pretty flippin sweet. The seamless integration of VTOL and regular flight in one of the variants seems badass. I am thinking of joining the Air Force after I get out of college, and I would love to have one of these babies as my own personal company car.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II
    The F-35 is the biggest blunder in military development of all time, they still have not managed to iron out all the bugs despite going over the original budget twice over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xylophone View Post
    Anything to get rid of those L85's eh?

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    Well anything that uses 7.62x51 isn't an assault rifle anyway =P.
    It's actually a damn fine weapon, it was the A1 that had all of the problems, the A2 is very reliable and possibly the most accurate Assault Rifle in the world.

    Compare it to the original M16, that had just as many problem if not more. They ironed out the bugs and now it is the most successful platform in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavett View Post
    you dont need to get rid of the L85's just another modification ( ) change the barrel, bolt and you're good to go.
    The barrel and bolt are fine, I have never had any issues with them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes View Post
    I do sympathize with these so called terrorist organisations. As far as I'm concerned, at least they are fighting for something they believe in, and for what they see to be the greater good. They're not fighting to line the pockets of statesmen, governors and oil barons. I wish we could the same about the people on this side of the planet.
    Hobbes talking about Al Qaeda and ISIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    The F-35 is the biggest blunder in military development of all time, they still have not managed to iron out all the bugs despite going over the original budget twice over.

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    It's actually a damn fine weapon, it was the A1 that had all of the problems, the A2 is very reliable and possibly the most accurate Assault Rifle in the world.

    Compare it to the original M16, that had just as many problem if not more. They ironed out the bugs and now it is the most successful platform in the world.

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    The barrel and bolt are fine, I have never had any issues with them.
    Nah, he thought that an introduction of new round (6.8) would require a new weapon, but L85A2 platform is fine and only a barrel change and a bolt replacement would be required.

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    I work as a Hydraulic Sales Engineer and I have an order from a well known UK based tank manufacturer for highly specialised hydraulic valves for use on a prototype US bridge layer. It has to be certified down to -46C. If the prototype succeeds, there are an order from the US Army for 62 of these vehicles.

    Where would you need bridges laying, imminently with temperatures as low as -46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavett View Post
    Nah, he thought that an introduction of new round (6.8) would require a new weapon, but L85A2 platform is fine and only a barrel change and a bolt replacement would be required.
    Gotcha, my mistake then. I thought he was saying the L85A2 still had problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ares66 View Post
    I work as a Hydraulic Sales Engineer and I have an order from a well known UK based tank manufacturer for highly specialised hydraulic valves for use on a prototype US bridge layer. It has to be certified down to -46C. If the prototype succeeds, there are an order from the US Army for 62 of these vehicles.

    Where would you need bridges laying, imminently with temperatures as low as -46.
    Alaska? 62 is not many at all really, especially considering the size of the US army.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes View Post
    I do sympathize with these so called terrorist organisations. As far as I'm concerned, at least they are fighting for something they believe in, and for what they see to be the greater good. They're not fighting to line the pockets of statesmen, governors and oil barons. I wish we could the same about the people on this side of the planet.
    Hobbes talking about Al Qaeda and ISIS.

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    Testing: Will probably be toooooo big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einherjarn View Post
    They look like scarecrows armed with cold war era equipment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes View Post
    I do sympathize with these so called terrorist organisations. As far as I'm concerned, at least they are fighting for something they believe in, and for what they see to be the greater good. They're not fighting to line the pockets of statesmen, governors and oil barons. I wish we could the same about the people on this side of the planet.
    Hobbes talking about Al Qaeda and ISIS.

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    World war 2 you mean, did you see these machine guns with those round mags ontop of them? they were even considered bad back then.
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  13. #53
    Does anyone else think those green leaves they use for camouflage look retarded? They're more likely to make you be spotted by the enemy.

    Edit: Well, the Eurofighter is the UK's main 'air superiority' aircraft. We intend to purchase the F-35 as a bomber I think, to replace the Tornados, although it can be used as a figher too. I'll miss the Tornado, it's served us well.
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  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    They look like scarecrows armed with cold war era equipment.

    1 sniper with a thermal scope could kill them all...the placement while "taking cover" is laughable....and that camo will be great..provided they plan to hide in plastic plants....

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    The F22 although clean and sleek and very maneuverable, in reality how much of that are you going to use in todays fire-and-forget missile systems, is a piece of shit. The Air Force should have went with the YF-23 instead. Faster, stealthier and an overall much better design. However the military really got sold on the maneuverability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angryst View Post
    The F22 although clean and sleek and very maneuverable, in reality how much of that are you going to use in todays fire-and-forget missile systems, is a piece of shit. The Air Force should have went with the YF-23 instead. Faster, stealthier and an overall much better design. However the military really got sold on the maneuverability.
    Probably because they still remember what happened in the skies over Vietnam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einherjarn View Post
    look at the guys at the end half of them were pretending to pull the trigger rofl
    you can see that most of them don't even have ammo
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    That NK military video is that suppose to be a joke? Normally when I see someone from the military they are fit and lean. These guys look very meek if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekilrwale View Post
    That thing was pretty cool but I'm sure it's cost wasn't worth it when we already had the Paladin available.
    8 round time on target from a single platform sounds like it blows everything else out of the water, if we didn't have air superiority it would be awesome but in recent conflicts we always have had control of the skies.
    Also, I'm not sure I trust having an autoloader system like that, it sounds great but they don't have a crew member that is able to quickly fill in as a backup to it if something goes wrong, things tend to go wrong in wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthwings View Post
    Does anyone else think those green leaves they use for camouflage look retarded? They're more likely to make you be spotted by the enemy.

    Edit: Well, the Eurofighter is the UK's main 'air superiority' aircraft. We intend to purchase the F-35 as a bomber I think, to replace the Tornados, although it can be used as a figher too. I'll miss the Tornado, it's served us well.
    Britain is buying the F35 as a replacement for the Harrier's vertical take-off and landing capabilities (that they decommissioned half a decade ago).

    I liked the plastic vine leaves the North Koreans had tied around their necks. Are there any fake vineyards on the Korean Peninsula? Kinda surprised those guns still worked, I mean they have to be at least 60 years old. Although they were only firing one or two rounds from each gun. Maybe more would blow the gun up?
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