Warriors vs Death Knights 5.2

[Ebonheart]

So just returning after a brief hiatus.

Was reviewing the changes to Death Knights and Warriors and was not sure which class is looking decent ATM. I don't really like the changes to Arms. Infact I ain't a fan of the Arms spec. I had levelled a Warrior purely for Fury cause of Titan's Grip and SMF.

However, Death Knights seemed to have received some QOL buffs. Its been 2 expansions since I last played a Death Knight.

And most of the other melee are looking kinda gimpy. WW Monks were suppose to get a buff but I've been told their DPS went down.

So between Death Knights and Warriors which would be a better bet moving ahead for PVE and PVP.

[Vantricular]

I have been playing this game since vanilla, and have yet to have more fun with a toon than I have with my arms warr and rogue in PvP. Sorry, I don't PvE

Ive played: Warr-DK-Rogue-EnhSham-Mage-Rdruid-Spriest, all 2k+ rating for either 2's or 3's(except for my EnhSham, he mah BG bitch)

Why warrior so fun? the mobility is so addicting, charge-charge-heroicleap-safeguard rawwrrrr im runnin circles around ur ass. Not to mention i BURN thru Tomes switching bladestorm droar and shockwave in and out.

Why Rogue? Just because I have always felt they have the highest skill cap and are the hardest classes to play well. I'd say 95% of the rogues out there are shit. The ones i've ran into in BGs and arena at least. Once you understand the concept of how to use your stun DR's, FEINT, your burst, AND escapability correctly than you're a god.

p.s. rogues just got buffed thru the damn roof man. Have Prep back and CoS on a 1mCD is still making me giggle a bit.

Abt you saying you don't like what they did to Arms:
- It's really...REALLY fun. Yes they overhauled the spec almost completely. Hardly any of the rotation is the same. But my god am I have funnn! full rage pool Windsong Haste-->x5Overpower-->Droar-->reck-->SLAMSLAMSLAM trollolololol 1Mdmg in like 5-8seconds

[Baracuda]

I have been playing this game since vanilla, and have yet to have more fun with a toon than I have with my arms warr and rogue in PvP. Sorry, I don't PvE

Ive played: Warr-DK-Rogue-EnhSham-Mage-Rdruid-Spriest, all 2k+ rating for either 2's or 3's(except for my EnhSham, he mah BG bitch)

Why warrior so fun? the mobility is so addicting, charge-charge-heroicleap-safeguard rawwrrrr im runnin circles around ur ass. Not to mention i BURN thru Tomes switching bladestorm droar and shockwave in and out.

Why Rogue? Just because I have always felt they have the highest skill cap and are the hardest classes to play well. I'd say 95% of the rogues out there are shit. The ones i've ran into in BGs and arena at least. Once you understand the concept of how to use your stun DR's, FEINT, your burst, AND escapability correctly than you're a god.

p.s. rogues just got buffed thru the damn roof man. Have Prep back and CoS on a 1mCD is still making me giggle a bit.

Abt you saying you don't like what they did to Arms:
- It's really...REALLY fun. Yes they overhauled the spec almost completely. Hardly any of the rotation is the same. But my god am I have funnn! full rage pool Windsong Haste-->x5Overpower-->Droar-->reck-->SLAMSLAMSLAM trollolololol 1Mdmg in like 5-8seconds

I agree rogue has a very high skill cap, hunters do too but I rarely see that nowadays.

You say you like arms warrior atm so maybe I'll give it a shot again on the PTR but I felt like 10 rage overpower was too harsh.

[Ebonheart]

I have been playing this game since vanilla, and have yet to have more fun with a toon than I have with my arms warr and rogue in PvP. Sorry, I don't PvE

Ive played: Warr-DK-Rogue-EnhSham-Mage-Rdruid-Spriest, all 2k+ rating for either 2's or 3's(except for my EnhSham, he mah BG bitch)

Why warrior so fun? the mobility is so addicting, charge-charge-heroicleap-safeguard rawwrrrr im runnin circles around ur ass. Not to mention i BURN thru Tomes switching bladestorm droar and shockwave in and out.

Why Rogue? Just because I have always felt they have the highest skill cap and are the hardest classes to play well. I'd say 95% of the rogues out there are shit. The ones i've ran into in BGs and arena at least. Once you understand the concept of how to use your stun DR's, FEINT, your burst, AND escapability correctly than you're a god.

p.s. rogues just got buffed thru the damn roof man. Have Prep back and CoS on a 1mCD is still making me giggle a bit.

Abt you saying you don't like what they did to Arms:
- It's really...REALLY fun. Yes they overhauled the spec almost completely. Hardly any of the rotation is the same. But my god am I have funnn! full rage pool Windsong Haste-->x5Overpower-->Droar-->reck-->SLAMSLAMSLAM trollolololol 1Mdmg in like 5-8seconds

I just find that if you have really bad lag or low FPS, playing a warrior really ruins it for you. I mean just as you charge someone, before you can even hit Hamstring, and follow up with a next attack they are already a few feet from you.

I don't doubt their mobility. I have a level 70 Warrior and they are fun, but they just have sooooooo many abilities. I thought Hunters were bad at one point. And most of them are just completely useless. Recklessness 50% crit - 5 min CD? Its so freaking useless for such a long CD. Then you have Heroic Throw and it doesn't serve any purpose with its crappy damage + Stormbolt. At least G of Gag Order made it useful.

I just find that I just don't have enough time to hit all my abilities that I need at any moment. I wish they could lower the GCD down to 1 sec. I find that it feels really smooth on a Death Knight.

[Mortalomena]

Actually Recklessness is the best offensive cooldown in the game (PvP) It truly was 110% OP when Avatar gave immunite to everything Now its 30% crit for 3min CD. Still good but feels weird to have non-crits in Recklessness now

[Vantricular]

I just find that if you have really bad lag or low FPS, playing a warrior really ruins it for you. I mean just as you charge someone, before you can even hit Hamstring, and follow up with a next attack they are already a few feet from you.

I don't doubt their mobility. I have a level 70 Warrior and they are fun, but they just have sooooooo many abilities. I thought Hunters were bad at one point. And most of them are just completely useless. Recklessness 50% crit - 5 min CD? Its so freaking useless for such a long CD. Then you have Heroic Throw and it doesn't serve any purpose with its crappy damage + Stormbolt. At least G of Gag Order made it useful.

I just find that I just don't have enough time to hit all my abilities that I need at any moment. I wish they could lower the GCD down to 1 sec. I find that it feels really smooth on a Death Knight.

Yea, like above posted, Reck is now a 3mCD with 30%crit. I usually wait till I see my Windsong(crit) to proc than pop it, but lining that up is pure chance the majority of the time.

note: also, remember that haste just got 100%+ for all Warriors, so im seeing quite a bit more double Windsong procs(crit&haste at the same time) than before, so lining up your CD's is a bit more exhilarating imo.


Abt the lag and warriors.... that kind of goes for any class my friend. I mean I don't even use Hamstring, I use Piercing Howl all of the time(its still snaring when enemies are LoS around a pillar too, or is that intended? i digress)

H.Throw and Stormbolt? Hardly ever used. Avatar for life my friend, learn to love it, and use it properly Only time I ever use H.throw is when I am finishing off that last 1-8%, and now I dont even see myself ever doing that unless they are ranged because Execute use now gives free OP's.

Glyph of Gag was WAYYY too OP, i'm glad its gone because I felt like I was just cruel to casters.

---------- Post added 2013-03-11 at 10:13 PM ----------

I agree rogue has a very high skill cap, hunters do too but I rarely see that nowadays.

You say you like arms warrior atm so maybe I'll give it a shot again on the PTR but I felt like 10 rage overpower was too harsh.

Ya the 10 Rage for OP felt odd as I suspected at first, but after 15min on the target dummy and 5 or so BG's to figure out just how to make it work, I am loving it, especially in ZERKER STANCE(wait what ppl use that!?!) while gettin "trained" by undergeared slobs in BG's trying to get their new honor gear. SOOOOOOooooOOO much rageee because of the dmg output and dmg taken

[Darkfriend]

haste got 50% buffed for warriors, not 100%.

[whoranzone]

Actually Recklessness is the best offensive cooldown in the game (PvP) It truly was 110% OP when Avatar gave immunite to everything Now its 30% crit for 3min CD. Still good but feels weird to have non-crits in Recklessness now

Was maybe. Now it's pretty mediocre.

note: also, remember that haste just got 100%+

It's still 50%.
I can't really comment on the pvp side of things since the patch as the season didn't really take off yet. PVE wise I guess it is fair to say that you feel the nerfs and buffs to other classes especially as smf. DKs are definitely really strong in current gear. I don't really agree on your assessment of the other melee classes either as especially rogues are pretty ridiculous currently.

[Daani]

Not really enjoying the recklessness cd and reduced crit chance. Just don't feel it's as easy to kill popping reck now. Plus watching recklessness not crit very odd.